Talk:The Longing Of Shiina Ryo:Volume1 Chapter 4: Ayaka
Laws of Physics Defied (or laws of reality rather)
Correct me if I'm wrong but.... isn't it impossible for 2 people to chain up a person/object (lets call it x for short) by running around x? Lets say they run in opposite directions, which should be the case. Then, one person will have to be in the inner circle (the paths of their motion are circles) while the other will have to be in the outer circle. When doing so, the person in the inner circle will inevitably be hit by the chain held by the person in the outer circle.
Lets say they run in the same direction. Then it is even less possible to chain up x, unless one runs faster than the other. If that happens, then the same problem as previously proposed will happen. Person will collide with length of chain (can also be called radius of circle).
You can say that the chain may be slack when they're running around (solves the above problem) but that is not logical since they are trying to restrict the movement of x.
Yep just a minor (or not so minor?) flaw I wanted to point out. Don't think i misinterpreted the text in the event that i did, so feel free to correct me. (actually i could have let this one pass but since the novel's all about tropes and related, i can't really accept such a flaw - if it is one. still, i dont think im wrong.. any comments on this anyone?)
- lol, i didn't even notice. but i generally just let these things be. the important part for me is that they tied the fucker up. nice observation...lets wait for Ryuno's answer...
--Idiffer 14:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)- First of all, I'm deeply honored; to have someone pay such attention to the details of something I wrote is just amazing for me as an author. I admit I initially made a mistake there, but thanks to your insightful comment and a moment of pondering I figured a way of explaining the situation without the necessity of retconning (requiring minor editing at its best). The reason why scientists work in groups is because it's easy to make mistakes in calculations and miss small yet relevant details; while your view on the subject is technically flawless, you assumed both ends of the chain would be held at the same height (which also implies you believe both Shin-tsu and Kouma share the exact same body height) when the ones involved in the problem could easily avoid the collision outcome by having the one in the inner circle holding his/her end of the chain reasonably lower than the one on the outside circle with a sufficiently long chain. Even based on the premise both Shin-tsu and Kouma do have the same height we could have that possibility by getting, for example, Shin-tsu running on the inner circle running with his arm and consequently his end of the chain down (possibly under his waist) and Kouma Yon running faster on the outer circle with her chained arm extended upwards (which, of course, would work on certain distance). Considering the other possibility (slack chain during the run), they could simply restrict x's movement by having both Kouma and Shin-tsu "pushing" their respective ends of the chain after a "lap" or two around x (which would result in the chain losing its slackness and "closing" the free space that would allow x's movement, along with a dreadful amount of damaging friction delivered to depending on the speed the ends of the chain would be pushed but not to the runners because the chain was already tightly wrapped around their arms). Once again, I am grateful for your attention and please tell me if you find anything else odd (this post included, because I may have committed another logical error in this reply).--Ryuno
- First of all, I'm deeply honored; to have someone pay such attention to the details of something I wrote is just amazing for me as an author. I admit I initially made a mistake there, but thanks to your insightful comment and a moment of pondering I figured a way of explaining the situation without the necessity of retconning (requiring minor editing at its best). The reason why scientists work in groups is because it's easy to make mistakes in calculations and miss small yet relevant details; while your view on the subject is technically flawless, you assumed both ends of the chain would be held at the same height (which also implies you believe both Shin-tsu and Kouma share the exact same body height) when the ones involved in the problem could easily avoid the collision outcome by having the one in the inner circle holding his/her end of the chain reasonably lower than the one on the outside circle with a sufficiently long chain. Even based on the premise both Shin-tsu and Kouma do have the same height we could have that possibility by getting, for example, Shin-tsu running on the inner circle running with his arm and consequently his end of the chain down (possibly under his waist) and Kouma Yon running faster on the outer circle with her chained arm extended upwards (which, of course, would work on certain distance). Considering the other possibility (slack chain during the run), they could simply restrict x's movement by having both Kouma and Shin-tsu "pushing" their respective ends of the chain after a "lap" or two around x (which would result in the chain losing its slackness and "closing" the free space that would allow x's movement, along with a dreadful amount of damaging friction delivered to depending on the speed the ends of the chain would be pushed but not to the runners because the chain was already tightly wrapped around their arms). Once again, I am grateful for your attention and please tell me if you find anything else odd (this post included, because I may have committed another logical error in this reply).--Ryuno
Edit explanation:
- "leaving only ... behind" -> "leaving behind only ...", and "beating ... up" -> "beating up ...": either way is valid in short phrases, but splitting the verb from the preposition gets ugly if there's lots of words in between.
