Talk:Clannad:SEEN3513

Requirements

To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):

• intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28
  • Leans Ryou towards trying to be like Kyou
• intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3
  • Influences your view of Kyou, causes rumor spread to be a bit more "detailed", I think?
• intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4
  • Affects Ryou's view of you, since you buy the Tanzanite pendant in front of her instead, making her feel a bit uneasy due to the DEATH card
• intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5
  • Causes you to recall the practice with Kyou
• intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7
  • Affects your aggressive thinking pattern

If you fail to meet any of these conditions, you will get the bad ending.

I put each of the analysis here as an explanation for each of the choices... mainly, what you do will affect whether Ryou thinks you really like her as Ryou, or that you would rather her to be more like Kyou. If she already knows she's losing and wants too much to be like Kyou, then it'll send you to SEEN3514. However, if you screw up and make her think that you do like her (for example, buying the Tanzanite beforehand), she'll also be caught in her own deception, rather than trying to create a deception despite knowing it's false. --velocity7

-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, so doing everything else correctly in terms of Kyou makes you fail Ryou's ending through extending the days, which then turns you failing Kyou's route. Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires only gem and hair, probably because you don't literally kiss Kyou, even though it's the event that triggers the most drama.) I was fooled by the gem and the Ryou kiss since the idea is not to mix Kyou and Ryou yet you have to do the Ryou kiss to get the image of Kyou into your head, yet buying the Tanzanite has a negative impact, which selection-wise makes sense but not really Kyou supporting Ryou sense (and you buy it anyway, at like an 8x inflated cost ...). I guess buying the Amethyst causes a certain point in the game to make you think about Kyou, which I don't know of yet. Kind of funny how visual novels have likeness of length of hair be so significant (while the other choices make a bit more sense, and technically liking short hair makes you fail Kyou's route but Ryou's is still possible, while making a mistake on any of the other ones ultimately defeat you.). -Amoirsp

I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1

I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp