Talk:Meeting:March302014

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Overall Detailed Meeting Minutes

13:00 - Meeting started. TLG not in attendance. General consensus to wait 15 minutes for TLG to arrive.

13:13 - DarkoNeko proposes that we discuss global rule changes, even if TLG is not in attendance.

13:16 - Simon designated as the meeting Chairperson.

13:17 - Cloudii proposes that the '1-week deadline to complete the first chapter of a new translation (or else face deletion) rule' be removed.

13:17 - Stellaroze suggests that the rule be extended to "1 month" instead.
13:19 - DarkoNeko calls for a vote: "Keep rule as is" (1 vote) - "Abolish rule" (5.5 votes) - "Extend to 1 month" (2.5 votes)
13:19 - Krytyk (the one dissenter) asks to delay the topic and consider the subject together with rules for Teaser Project creation

13:21 - Discussion shifts to talk about New Full Project Creation Guidelines (particularly, Teaser Project Creation Guidelines)

[Comment] - Clarification: the original definition of a teaser project is: "Any project a translator translated a portion thereof, but had no intent to continue the project."
[Summary] - Hayashi suggests that we should enforce this. Only projects that describe the above definition should be tagged as a Teaser Project, and projects that are picked up again should have the teaser tag removed.
[Summary] - Kira082 points out the only way for a new unapproved translation to get visibility is to be classified in the Teaser Project category.
[Summary] - Cloudii and Krytyk point out that most translators on the Wiki choose to tag all new projects as "Teaser Projects", regardless of their intent to continue translating (or not). Hence, from a practical standpoint, Teaser Projects no longer are perceived by the community as per its original intended definition. Furthermore, they observe {{Warning:ATP}} is no longer being tagged on most English Teaser projects.
[Summary] - Zzhk points out that the deletion warning in {{Warning:ATP}} is misleading, and should be changed.
13:25 - Cloudii proposes that all new projects, including teasers, be tagged with {{Warning:ATP}}, assuming the removal of one-week deadline portion of the tag.
13:31 - Krytyk proposes that we merge ATP with teasers and create a separate set of rules to govern the process.
13:33 - Kira082 proposes that the ATP tag should be placed only after a project meets the requirements to become a full project (Basically, just for the mods to approve the project), and the one-week deadline to be deleted.
15:36 - Simon calls for a vote to remove the deadline in ATP, but it get's ignored... DarkoNeko also suggests that we move on to the next topic...
15:40 - After significant support behind Kira's proposal, a vote is made on the follow clarification:
1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project
2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending
3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or any other supervisor) approve
15:42 - Vote tally: "In Favor" (13) - "Not in Favor" (0) --- Resolved. Note that this resolution implies the removal of the 1-week deadline rule.
15:44 - Zzhk proposes that substandard pages (ie: pages with no translations) but subject to speedy deletion. However, general consensus is that a warning must be given first.

Summary to Continue...

Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines.

"is the one week requirement to complete a new chapter

choice 1) keep it 2) extend it to a month 3) remove it 

<Kira0802> 3.
<Vallor> 2/3
<stellarroze> 2.
<krytyk> 1
<Misogi> 3
<Lery> 3
<cloudii> 3
<Lord-Simon> 3
<Darkoneko> 3

Majority to remove it.

consensus seems to expect a new project to already have material ready (like a prologue/intro already translated), rather than start from zero DarkoNeko talk 08:40, 30 March 2014 (CDT)

teaser status / ATP

random questions during chat mode (to complete)

  • Should teasers be an intermediate step in the creation of a project ?
  • What about teasers where the translator know already that (s)he'll be too busy to continue (and made than in hope another translator picks the project up) ?
  • Translators often tag something as a project in hope to get it to the side bar/categories and give it visibility
  • Every project seems to start by being tagged as a teaser for some reason (misuse ?)


Vote of new modus operandi : 

1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project
2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending
3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or other supervisor) approves

<Kira0802> Yea
<cloudii> Yes
<Cthaeh> yes
<krytyk> yes
<rock96> Yep
<hayashi> yes
<stellarroze> yes
<Code-Zero> yes
<Vallor> Yes but what's happened to the deadline?
<Misogi> Yes (although the Alt. Languages situation should be clarified).
<DarkoNeko> yes
<Lery> yes
<Lord-Simon> yes

mailing supervisors

<cloudii> There are number of instances int he rules
<cloudii> that require members to "email" supervisors
<cloudii> ...
<cloudii> Remove all references thereof 
<cloudii> of that form of contact


Vote : everyone approve

Creating a wiki page for requests

" Create a single location on the Wiki where administrative requests can be made. This should be at location that all sysops/supervisors monitor."


(like on wikipedia)

vote : 

<+Lord-Simon> yes
<Misogi> Yes.
<cloudii> yes
<Kira0802> Yea
<rock96> Yes.
<&DarkoNeko> agreed
<krytyk> y
<Lery> yes
<hayashi> yes

remove Wiki rules on forums

"rules about the forum should be on the forum, but rules about the wiki are also on the forum. They should be moved to the wiki"

Vote : everyone agrees

Create comprehensive Help Pages to improve the experience of brand-new members.

vote : all approve.

Detail of content of saide pages to be discussed séparatly

inactivity

Inactive people in power group issues :

  • Risk of accounts being hacked
  • Risks of people asking long-time inactive members to do stuff and never get answers.
  • cluttering of said groups


Motion : 

<cloudii> 1). One year of inactivty = loss of physical wiki rights
<cloudii> 2). If you end up coming back, talk to a sysop to be reinstated

Vote : 

<Kira0802> Yea
<Cthaeh> vote yes
<rock96> yes
<Lery> yes
<hayashi> mondai nai
<krytyk> y
<&DarkoNeko> vote y
<Vallor> yes
<victorrama> Yea
<+Lord-Simon> yes, even if I'm sceptical

project leading and supervisions

Renaming of some of the roles for a project, for clarity 

 "Project Supervisor -> Project Manager (usually one of the translators or editors. Does not need to be a member of a particular power user group)"
 "Project Administrator -> Supervisor (wiki supervisor or above)"

<cloudii> Yes
<krytyk> yes
<Kira0802> Yea
<Vallor> Yeah
<Misogi> Yes (although I may not count)
<Lery> yes
<Cthaeh> yes, vote
<&DarkoNeko> i'd have preferred "translation project manager" for clarity, but I'll take that
<rock96> 'K, I think

Vote : approved

Project Manager

"If a project manager knows they'll be away for a while, they should designate a subtitute to take all decisions in their absence"

Vote : all agreed.

"In case of unannounced inactivity or management issues, the project staff may ask the Supervisor to mediate and/or appoint a new Project Manager amongst the active project members"

Vote : approved.

"The first Project Manager is appointed by the Supervisor during ATP procedure."

Vote : approved.


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