Talk:Rakuin no Monshou:Volume1 Prologue

"However, ever since the winter her once robust grandfather got injured, he had become bedridden." I think that "injured" here is used incorrectly, as in the raw it just mentions that his health deteriorates 「ただ、壮健そのものであった祖父がある冬以来、身体を壊し、床に伏せるようになってしまった。」. -Kiydon

• I translated 身体を壊し as 'injured (壊し) his body (身体)', but you're right that 身体 can also mean health. Considering the context, you're suggestion's better, so I'll use that.

Here's some more. "As the sky began to blend into the same colour as the surface," "surface" here probably should be replaced with "ground", as 地面 in 地面と同じ色 refers to the earth's surface or the ground. --Kiydon

• 地面 literally means 'earth's surface', in this case either ground, land or surface can be used. I actually prefer land or surface.
• Ah, what I meant was that it was a bit confusing with the airships around, as I initially thought it referred to the surface of the airship.

This sentence, "If only father had the resolve to let me, on the bridal night, I would readily slice open the sleeping head of my husband to be!", sounds a bit awkward, so a better way to phrase this would be "If only father had the resolve to let me, on the bridal night, slice open the sleeping head of my husband to be, I would readily do so!" Also, I'm just going through the chapters one by one, proofreading some parts and editing others, so do you want me to keep post these suggestions on the discussion page? I'm already directly editing the more minor fixes. --Kiydon

• Please keep posting these kind of suggestions here, because it looks like I do not always agree with them (no offense though), and I don't like reverting people's edits because that makes it look like I'm ungrateful or something. With the example above I think it's just a matter of wanting to translate the Japanese sentence order directly, or change it so that it sounds better in English. Your suggestion is similar to the Japanese sentence order, but it feels a bit strained (at least to me) in English. So I prefer my original translation. Another option might be "If only father had the resolve to let me, I would readily slice open the sleeping head of my husband to be on the bridal night!".
• Actually, disregard the suggestion I had. I probably wasn't really awake last night; on a closer examination, the sentence is grammatically correct. Whoopsie! But yeah, I like the second option more, since the "on the bridal night" part is in a weird position, and makes the sentence sound awkward. Placing it on the end makes it flow better. --Kiydon

Shaking their heads in frustration, some ended up being moved to tears and sorrow. --> ... in frustration, some of them ... or ... in frustration. Some ended ...

• Suggestion 2 makes the first sentence faulty in my opinion. It shouldn't be split into two sentences. Changing 'some' into 'some of them' can be considered, but I don't see what's wrong with using 'some' as a subject, unless it isn't clear from the context who 'some' refers to. I think it's clear though. --Dohma (talk) 09:59, 19 June 2013 (CDT)

• I knew the '.' will be changing the sentences, but I guessed you might want to normalize the phases as shown in Some of them snorted through their noses and.... I too had thought of removing the ',' to make the sentence flow and more sensible. But, ok, i will leave it as it is. - Rukiabankai (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2013 (CDT)

female Chief Theresia explained with as bitter a look as possible --> ... a look that's as bitter as possible ...

• I don't want to use "that's" too much, as I've learned it's better to omit it when possible. If it's the word sentence that seems awkward/confusing I'd rather opt for: "an as bitter look as possible" or "a look as bitter as possible". --Dohma (talk) 09:59, 19 June 2013 (CDT)

• ok, i will leave it as it is. - Rukiabankai (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2013 (CDT)

What do you think? - Rukiabankai (talk) 05:34, 19 June 2013 (CDT)

• Could you please explain what you think is wrong with the translation? Don't worry, I'm not offended, but English is not my mother language so I don't always see what's wrong with my wording. Does it sound awkward, is the sentence confusing, grammatically correct, does it portray the wrong meaning, etc... --Dohma (talk) 09:59, 19 June 2013 (CDT)

• I don't see anything wrong with the original translations either. First one is correct, as the "of them" can be omitted. Second one is also correct, so I don't see any point in changing that. In fact, the original flows a lot better when the "that's" is omitted. --Kiydon (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2013 (CDT)

• I see. The TL knows best! I just felt that leaving out words will sometimes leave the readers a sense of loss ( as I was lost for awhile ). But, reading it through, I guess it is plausible. - Rukiabankai (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2013 (CDT)

Although Theresia herself would be accompanying the princess in order to look after her surroundings, of course ( even so ), for many people in Garbera, this would be ( their ) farewell Why even so? Sorry will not be able to give you solid explanations, but from what I can say, even if Theresia went with them, the people will still say their farewell. Also, was 'their' another omitted word?- Rukiabankai (talk) 09:12, 20 June 2013 (CDT)

• Uh, I'm not sure what you're saying for the even so part, since it's not actually on there. Also, "their" might or might not be an omitted word. The sentence can be read as "this would be farewell (for them)", which to me, flows a lot more naturally, as it leads directly into the next sentence.

Also, I'm not sure that I agree with some of your edits. In "'It's outrageous that our Vileena, the third daughter of His Royal Highness and princess of Garbera, a country where we take pride in our chivalry, [have] to consent to a marriage with that monkey from Mephius!'", have is incorrect here. If you take out everything, you'll end up with "It's outrageous that our Vileena ... [has] to consent to a marriage with..."; Vileena is singular (has), not plural (have). For "Theresia softly laid her hand on that drawing [which] depicted her in a devilish manner", which is used incorrectly here, as you would either need a comma before it "Theresia softly laid her hand on that drawing, which depicted her in a devilish manner;", but there will be an odd space after the nonrestrictive clause, or replace it with a "that", which remains an essential part of the sentence. Sorry if that was wordy or confusing. --Kiydon (talk) 02:11, 21 June 2013 (CDT)

• I already changed 'have' back to 'has' for the above stated reason, but I just read this now. About 'even so': the word used in the raw is of course or naturally. Basically, Theresia will accompany Vileena, but it is not so for the other people of Garbera. So naturally, they will have to say goodbye. I also think adding 'their' is not needed, and it's not in the original either (Japanese generally don't use pronouns if it can be understood from context). You can say farewell, or you can say your farewell(s), but I think the first flows better in this case. It sounds more definitive - which it is.

About the the that > which - I didn't see anything wrong with the change at first, but now that I've read Kiydon's comment, I'll have to agree with him. I'm not entirely sure if I'm correct but: with 'which' you'll have to add a comma before it, and then the 'which' refers to the entire clause before it. Thus: the action of Theresia laying her hand on that drawing is what depicted her in a devilish manner. However, it's the drawing that depicted her as such, so 'that' sounds better in my opinion. However, as "that drawing that" may sound a bit awkward, I've changed it to "the drawing that". --Dohma (talk) 05:07, 21 June 2013 (CDT)

“Indeed,” female Chief Theresia explained with as bitter a look as possible. --> Sorry for editing before informing you. I was bothered by the wording on "female Chief" because her position didn't seem to reflect that of a Chief. I looked up the original usage, which was 侍女長. I believe Head maid(which i changed it to), or Chief attendant is more suited to describe her position. --Detalz 00:22, 25 June 2013 (CDT)