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==Overall Detailed Meeting Minutes==
  
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'''13:00 -''' Meeting started. TLG not in attendance. General consensus to wait 15 minutes for TLG to arrive.
  
   
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'''13:13 -''' DarkoNeko proposes that we discuss global rule changes, even if TLG is not in attendance.
  
   
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Meeting started
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'''13:16 -''' Simon designated as the meeting Chairperson.
  
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'''13:17 -''' Cloudii proposes that the ''''1-week deadline to complete the first chapter of a new translation (or else face deletion) rule'''' be removed.
  
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:'''13:17 -''' Stellaroze suggests that the rule be extended to "1 month" instead.
  
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:'''13:19 -''' DarkoNeko calls for a vote: "Keep rule as is" (1 vote) - "Abolish rule" (5.5 votes) - "Extend to 1 month" (2.5 votes)
  
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:'''13:19 -''' Krytyk (the one dissenter) asks to delay the topic and consider the subject together with rules for Teaser Project creation
  
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'''13:21 -''' Discussion shifts to talk about '''New Full Project Creation Guidelines''' (particularly, Teaser Project Creation Guidelines)
  
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:'''[Comment] -''' Clarification: the original definition of a teaser project is: "Any project a translator translated a portion thereof, but had no intent to continue the project."
  
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:::'''[Summary] -''' Hayashi suggests that we should enforce this. Only projects that describe the above definition should be tagged as a Teaser Project, and projects that are picked up again should have the teaser tag removed.
  
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:::'''[Summary] -''' Kira082 points out the only way for a new unapproved translation to get visibility is to be classified in the Teaser Project category.
 
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:::'''[Summary] -''' Cloudii and Krytyk point out that most translators on the Wiki choose to tag all new projects as "Teaser Projects", regardless of their intent to continue translating (or not). Hence, from a practical standpoint, Teaser Projects no longer are perceived by the community as per its original intended definition. Furthermore, they observe <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki> is no longer being tagged on most English Teaser projects.
  
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:::'''[Summary] -''' Zzhk points out that the deletion warning in [[template:Warning:ATP|<nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>]] is misleading, and should be changed.
  
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:'''13:25 -''' Cloudii proposes that all new projects, including teasers, be tagged with <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>, assuming the removal of one-week deadline portion of the tag.
  
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:'''13:31 -''' Krytyk proposes that we merge ATP with teasers and create a separate set of rules to govern the process.
  
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:'''13:33 -''' Kira082 proposes that the ATP tag should be placed only after a project meets the requirements to become a full project (Basically, just for the mods to approve the project), and the one-week deadline to be deleted.
  
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:'''15:36''' - Simon calls for a vote to remove the deadline in ATP, but it get's ignored... DarkoNeko also suggests that we move on to the next topic...
 
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:'''15:40''' - After significant support behind Kira's proposal, a vote is made on the follow clarification:
  
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<pre>1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project
  
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2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending
  
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3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or any other supervisor) approve</pre>
  
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::'''15:42''' - Vote tally: "In Favor" (13) - "Not in Favor" (0) --- '''<span style="color:red;">Resolved.</span>''' Note that this resolution implies the removal of the 1-week deadline rule.
  
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:'''15:44''' - Zzhk proposes that substandard pages (ie: pages with no translations) but subject to speedy deletion. However, general consensus is that a warning must be given first.
  
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==Complete Log of the Meeting==
  
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17:50 < cloudii> thanks 'errybody
  
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17:50 <+Lord-Simon> So, looks like the meeting is off for today
  
17:50 <+Lord-Simon> So, looks like the meeting is off for today
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[15:13] <cloudii> thelastguardian :D
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[15:14] <thelastguardian> $#@$%@#$#@
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[15:14] <thelastguardian> i set my calendar to 1pm PST
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[15:15] <cloudii> aww it's okay xD
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[15:15] <thelastguardian> oh my gosh
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[15:15] <cloudii> it was a god early time for you anyways, so it's alright
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[15:15] <thelastguardian> *facepalming*
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[15:15] <Misogi> Hi TLG.
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[15:16] <cloudii> A full transcript for the entire meeting is on the talk page for tha Wiki page
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[15:16] <Misogi> But we haven't discussed the important matters.
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[15:18] <cloudii> Misogi, I started taking a more detailed/formal minutes off of the full transcript
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[15:18] <cloudii> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Meeting:March302014
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[15:18] <cloudii> Feel free to edit you think is not representative......
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[15:19] <Misogi> Well, I'll trust you on this.
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[15:20] <Lery> Hello there ^^
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[15:20] <Misogi> Should we start an improvised discussion?
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[15:21] <cloudii> Uh, do you know if Simon is still recording?
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[15:21] <Misogi> Or just deal with the most important matters?
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[15:21] <+Lord-Simon> holy
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[15:21] <+Lord-Simon> Well
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[15:21] <+Lord-Simon> hello there
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[15:21] <+Lord-Simon> 7 hours too late
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[15:21] <Vallor> It's nothing. lol
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[15:23] <cloudii> fyi, I started putting together formal minutes from the transcript here: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Meeting:March302014
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[15:23] <cloudii> Feel free to edit as you please :D
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[15:23] <thelastguardian> as a token of my apology, I will immediately set to work on the captcha...
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[15:23] <thelastguardian> (after I finished screaming)
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[15:23] <+Lord-Simon> :D
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[15:24] <Misogi> I see.
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[15:24] <DefaultMelody> Yo.
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[15:24] <Misogi> I'll try to take a bath in less than 5 minutes.
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[15:24] <Vallor> Good luck
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[15:24] * Misogi is off.
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[15:24] <+Lord-Simon> So, are we going through the topics that can only be discussed with TLG ?
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[15:25] <Guest49545> Hmm... Hello ? (My first time on an IRC)
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[15:25] <+Lord-Simon> ....
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[15:25] <Guest49545> Arg... it's Devenk
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[15:25] <Vallor> He...llo
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[15:26] <DefaultMelody> ...Devenk, put your real name.
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[15:26] <Lery> He means : your real nickname :P
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[15:26] <Guest49545> It's my first time, I don't jnow how to do it...
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[15:26] <+Lord-Simon> 48 65 6c 6c 6f
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[15:26] <Vallor> +1 Lery
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[15:27] <+Lord-Simon> you guys...
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[15:27] <Lery> 4e 6f 2c 20 70 6c 65 61 73 65 2e 2e 2e
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[15:27] <+Lord-Simon> 2a 73 69 67 68 2a
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[15:27] <Vallor> Can you stop with the hexa code please?
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[15:28] <DefaultMelody> Shhh, Vallor, I'm trying to understand.
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[15:28] <+Lord-Simon> I
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[15:28] <+Lord-Simon> SEE
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[15:28] <+Lord-Simon> CAPTCHA
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[15:29] <+Lord-Simon> BUT WHY CATS
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[15:29] <+Lord-Simon> WHYYYY!?
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[15:29] <DefaultMelody> CATS RULE INTERNET.
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[15:29] <+Lord-Simon> NO
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[15:29] <+Lord-Simon> SHEEPS DO
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[15:30] <Vallor> And french people are weird...? *sigh*
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[15:30] <Lery> Aren't cats fine too ??
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[15:30] <Cthaeh> haha
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[15:30] <+Lord-Simon> because cats are too mainstream: http://labs.minutelabs.io/Sheep-Bounce/
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[15:30] <DefaultMelody> Hipster.
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[15:30] <+Lord-Simon> lol
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[15:30] <thelastguardian> according to mediawiki it's currently the most effective form of captcha...it makes the server a lot busier though
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[15:31] <cloudii> hmm, TLG, what are you using now?
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[15:31] <Lery> Mhhh, how much is your server currently stressed, by the way ?
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[15:31] <cloudii> I want to remind everyone of the data I collected last week
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[15:31] <cloudii> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Meeting:March302014
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[15:31] <thelastguardian> top - 14:33:40 up 80 days, 20:47, 3 users, load average: 7.53, 11.47, 8.86
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[15:31] <cloudii> total amount of spam on the Wiki and Forums
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[15:31] <thelastguardian> used to be about 2.5
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[15:32] <cloudii> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AheiUhJFmWFIdHp6RkZTTzNvTFJnbllSeTNHdVZSS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0
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[15:33] <thelastguardian> using what?
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[15:33] * Misogi is back.
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[15:33] <cloudii> Forum spam is all topics that have been "denied" by a mod
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[15:33] <Lery> @thelastguardian : how many cores ?
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[15:34] <thelastguardian> 8
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[15:34] <thelastguardian> 16 HT
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[15:34] <Lery> Hell, that's way too much
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[15:34] <Lery> Okay
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[15:34] <+Lord-Simon> php-fpm + nginx
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[15:34] <+Lord-Simon> right ?
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[15:34] <thelastguardian> mediawiki is not every efficient (if you don't have static cache infront of it)
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[15:34] <Lery> Well, it means it's running at about 50%
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[15:34] <thelastguardian> cloudii: got it
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[15:35] <thelastguardian> you can't expect HT to bring 200% performance increase
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[15:35] <thelastguardian> so the captcha pushes the sys util to 100%
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[15:35] <Misogi> The discussion started?
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[15:35] <Lery> It's true
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[15:36] <+Lord-Simon> So, what do we start with ?
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[15:36] <zzhk> apart from spam, I think the most pressing wiki issue requiring TLG's intervention is the disappearance of the supervisor/admin option when supervisors try to change page protection levels
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[15:36] <cloudii> imo, it's not worth it if it stresses the server that much
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[15:36] <+Lord-Simon> Global, Wiki or Forums ?
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[15:36] <Misogi> Wiki.
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[15:36] <cloudii> I support zzhk
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[15:36] <Misogi> Not much to discuss about wiki.
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[15:36] <+Lord-Simon> except the redo of the front page
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[15:36] <+Lord-Simon> maybe
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[15:37] <thelastguardian> i didn't touch the wiki/forum's permission settings, so the disapperance is probably cause by version upgrades
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[15:37] <Vallor> And the links to the copyright page.
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[15:37] <cloudii> Do you think you could go and change the usergroup privileges?
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[15:37] <cloudii> to correct it back to what it used to be?
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[15:38] <Misogi> One thing at once.
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[15:38] == mode/#Baka-Tsuki [+o Arisu-tan] by [^_^]
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[15:40] <thelastguardian> sure, let me do the captcha first though
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[15:40] <Nurin> oh
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[15:40] <Nurin> the man actually came
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[15:40] <Nurin> (and Rikka was crying his name)
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[15:40] <Nurin> :p
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[15:42] <stellarroze> :(
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[15:43] * Lord-Simon hugs stella
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[15:43] <stellarroze> just got back from church and saw the tweet
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[15:43] <@Arisu-tan> Hm?
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[15:43] <stellarroze> i missed tlg...
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[15:44] <+Lord-Simon> Were your prayers granted ?
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[15:44] <stellarroze> was anything sorted out?
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[15:44] <@Arisu-tan> who knows?
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[15:44] <Misogi> It just started.
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[15:44] <stellarroze> who knows my lord...
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[15:44] <stellarroze> eh
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[15:44] * stellarroze hugs cloudii
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[15:45] <stellarroze> hi arisu-tan ^^
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[15:45] <Nurin> Wat?
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[15:45] <Nurin> Stellar in the church?
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[15:45] <@Arisu-tan> So it seems to me that Harvest Moon games give you all the excitement of wooing a girl and then the wedding, only to deny you the honeymoon after
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[15:45] <stellarroze> nurin
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[15:45] <Nurin> lol
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[15:45] <Nurin> true enough
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[15:45] <@Arisu-tan> I find this disappointing.
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[15:45] <+Lord-Simon> lol
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[15:46] <@Arisu-tan> On the other hand, maybe I've just played too many visual novels where all the romance builds up to that eventual sex scene
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[15:46] <stellarroze> i hope you get buried under a mountain of lolis never to come out again!
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[15:47] <nanodesuyo> wouldnt nurin be happy about that?
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[15:47] * Lord-Simon ;_;
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[15:47] <@Arisu-tan> that sounds unhealthy
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[15:47] <stellarroze> shaddup nano
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[15:47] <+Lord-Simon> ~desu
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[15:47] <@Arisu-tan> Is Fuchi around?
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[15:47] <stellarroze> lol
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[15:47] <@Arisu-tan> Fuchi~
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[15:47] <+Lord-Simon> Fuchin~
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[15:47] <stellarroze> fuchi?
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[15:47] <@Arisu-tan> Fuchikoma
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> also known as Smidge
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[15:48] <stellarroze> what do you do on BT arisu-tan?
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[15:48] <Misogi> Who's Arisu, btw?
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> I sit here and watch
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[15:48] <~Smidge204> ?
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[15:48] <stellarroze> i've seen smidge before but i've never talked to him/her
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> Hey!
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[15:48] <~Smidge204> Hoh
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[15:48] <~Smidge204> let's go!
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> Let's go?
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> XD
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[15:48] <~Smidge204> hurr
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[15:48] <stellarroze> let's go happy!
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[15:48] <+Lord-Simon> Never follow a stranger.
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[15:48] <@Arisu-tan> Actually I was going to ask if you still have the Haruhi light novels sitting around somewhere?
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[15:49] <~Smidge204> I almost certainly do, since I never (intentionally) delete anything
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[15:49] <@Arisu-tan> I lost the old laptop with them, and considering I now own the physical copies of the books (up to 11), I want to reread
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[15:49] <@Arisu-tan> also those books are TINY. I can put them in my pockets
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[15:50] <~Smidge204> That's the idea, yeas
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[15:50] <Nurin> Stellar
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[15:50] <Lery2> \nick Lery
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[15:50] <Nurin> I hope that become true
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[15:50] <~Smidge204> http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/haruhi9.jpg
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[15:50] <~Smidge204> heh
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[15:50] <stellarroze> nurin
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[15:50] <@Arisu-tan> well considering the only other light novel I've seen brought to america is Zaregoto, and those are redone as full book forms
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[15:51] <@Arisu-tan> I didn't expect the authentic Haruhi novels to be the size of a wallet
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[15:51] <@Arisu-tan> You have them too?
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[15:52] <~Smidge204> Just that one
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[15:52] <Nurin> stellar
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[15:52] <@Arisu-tan> How many are there again?
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[15:52] <Nurin> you seem to be very slow on typping today
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[15:52] <stellarroze> i hope you get buried under a mountain of those blow-up dolls from henneko
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[15:52] <Nurin> or you are slow to think
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[15:52] <~Smidge204> When it was first released, I bought two copies - one to cut and and scan, one to keep
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[15:52] <Nurin> fair enough
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[15:52] <~Smidge204> The books are dirt cheap... shipping from Japan? Not so much
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[15:52] <Nurin> I hope that you get buried in a moutain with tons of black gay guys
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[15:53] <Nurin> you will die from disgust
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[15:53] <@Arisu-tan> yeah I got them from osakan, actually
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[15:53] <Lery> Why does it turn that way ?
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[15:53] <+Lord-Simon> Someone said Azusa ?
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[15:54] <stellarroze> i hope you get buried under a mountain of asian traps!
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[15:54] <Nurin> Oh simon
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[15:54] <Nurin> 拍手
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[15:54] <@Arisu-tan> he was moving and sending off all his stuff to other people, and sent me 1-11 in a box. I think I owe him like, $37 for it
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[15:54] <Nurin> ok
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[15:54] <Nurin> just a question
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[15:54] <Nurin> Fish allowed here?
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[15:55] <stellarroze> no
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[15:55] * Lord-Simon slaps Nurin
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[15:55] <Nurin> :(
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[15:55] <Nurin> y did I got slapped?
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[15:55] <@Arisu-tan> so wait, is Haruhi vol 11 actually the ending?
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[15:55] <stellarroze> cos you were mean to me
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[15:55] <Nurin> it wasn't supposed to be in stellar?
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[15:55] <stellarroze> of course not...
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[15:55] * Nurin slaps Stellarroze with a wet towel
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[15:56] <stellarroze> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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[15:56] <stellarroze> why the heck is the towel wet!?
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[15:56] * Lord-Simon puts glas in a bag
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[15:56] * Lord-Simon puts the bag on Nurin head
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[15:56] <Nurin> 'cause I was taking a shower
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[15:56] * Lord-Simon starts hitting the bag
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[15:56] * Nurin dies
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[15:57] <Nurin> argghh...
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[15:57] * Lord-Simon chops the body to pieces
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[15:57] <Misogi> ... Oh well, nevermind.
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[15:57] <Nurin> that hurts
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[15:57] * Lord-Simon feeds the dogs
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[15:57] * Nurin is born again
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[15:57] <Nurin> :(
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[15:58] <Nurin> Simon is mean
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[15:58] <Nurin> even if I don't die no matter what
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[15:58] <stellarroze> thank you my lord!
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[15:58] <Nurin> feeding the dogs...
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[15:58] <Nurin> oh good
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[15:58] <stellarroze> O_O
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[15:58] <Nurin> I will try latter
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[15:58] <+Lord-Simon> Well, actually that's nothing
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[15:59] <+Lord-Simon> I had an appointment by a doctor
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[15:59] <Lery> Shouldn't we actually discuss the Wiki matters ???
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[15:59] <Nurin> oh Azusa...
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[15:59] <Nurin> my heart...
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[15:59] <Misogi> TLG is busy implementing the captcha.
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[15:59] <Nurin> what?
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[15:59] <+Lord-Simon> Hit my foot and the nail started going in the wrong direction and stuff
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[15:59] <Nurin> Wiki?
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[15:59] <+Lord-Simon> yes
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[15:59] <+Lord-Simon> Forums
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[15:59] <stellarroze> @Lery that happened like 6 hours ago
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[15:59] <+Lord-Simon> Wiki is done
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[15:59] <Nurin> who the hell is Wiki?
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[16:00] <Nurin> and why it can solve it's own problems
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[16:00] <Nurin> ?
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[16:00] <+Lord-Simon> And the doc says that a part of the nail has to be removed
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[16:00] <+Lord-Simon> Well...
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[16:00] <~Smidge204> Uploading...
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[16:00] <~Smidge204> They're in plaintext but the illustrations are included
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[16:01] <+Lord-Simon> I've seen the scissors and some disinfectant.
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[16:01] <+Lord-Simon> nothing else
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[16:01] <~Smidge204> I think they're just copypaste from the Wiki's edit box, TBH
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[16:01] <Misogi> So, the Copyrights and Protect issues are done, right?
  +
[16:01] <+Lord-Simon> Takes the scissors, shoves it under the nail, cuts
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[16:01] <+Lord-Simon> *repeat till done*
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[16:02] <~Smidge204> http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/Haruhi_vol_1-9_w_illustrations.rar
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[16:02] <+Lord-Simon> no
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[16:02] <stellarroze> hmmm
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[16:03] <stellarroze> i wonder if i forgot my password for the wiki and forums...
  +
[16:03] <+Lord-Simon> ...
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[16:03] <+Lord-Simon> I can't forget them
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[16:03] <+Lord-Simon> I don't even know them.
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[16:03] <krytyk> whats this wall of text
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[16:03] <Vallor> lol
  +
[16:03] <krytyk> i go afk for 40 mins
  +
[16:04] <krytyk> wall of text awaits me when im back :(
  +
[16:04] <cloudii> TLG said he wanted to put captcha in first
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[16:04] <+Lord-Simon> and then he gone missing
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[16:04] <cloudii> thelastguardian is clearly doing the work concurently xD As in… right now.
  +
[16:04] <thelastguardian> yes
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[16:04] <krytyk> he put in captcha, now he cant solve it and is stuck in infinite captcha prison
  +
[16:05] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[16:05] <+Lord-Simon> ^^no he's not
  +
[16:05] <+Lord-Simon> he's here
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[16:05] <Lock> woah, the great leader.
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[16:05] <krytyk> oh~
  +
[16:06] <Lock> how do you save channels, btw?
  +
[16:06] <krytyk> eh?
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[16:06] <krytyk> depends on what are you using
  +
[16:06] <Lock> mibbit
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[16:06] <+Lord-Simon> save
  +
[16:06] <+Lord-Simon> as in archive ?
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[16:06] <@Arisu-tan> Fuchi is awesome~
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[16:06] <krytyk> I'm guessing as in auto-connect
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[16:06] <Nurin> I will drink a coffee now, and then come back to watch people work a bit more...
  +
[16:06] <Lock> nope, as to not quit each time I close the thing
  +
[16:07] <krytyk> watch people work
  +
[16:07] <krytyk> hidoi
  +
[16:07] <krytyk> another one
  +
[16:07] <krytyk> "I love hard work, I could watch it for hours"
  +
[16:07] <Nurin> Krytyk
  +
[16:07] <Nurin> I have no feelings
  +
[16:07] <@Arisu-tan> this is the busiest I've seen BT in months
  +
[16:08] <Nurin> :)
  +
[16:08] <krytyk> rowdy people came over~
  +
[16:08] <Lery> What about the forum and the spam on the forum, by the way, thelastguardian ???
  +
[16:08] <@Arisu-tan> oh geez I forgot about the wiki formatting in the HAruhi texts
  +
[16:08] <stellarroze> the spam will continue
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[16:09] <Nurin> yup
  +
[16:09] <stellarroze> a neverending invasion
  +
[16:09] <Nurin> as long as BN is there
  +
[16:09] <krytyk> like a hydra
  +
[16:09] <Nurin> :D
  +
[16:09] <krytyk> cut off one head
  +
[16:09] <krytyk> thirty appears
  +
[16:09] <Nurin> not three?
  +
[16:09] <Lery> Why not try out something like Akismet ?
  +
[16:09] <Nurin> I always thought it was three...
  +
[16:09] * Lock tries saving the channel on auto-connect
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[16:09] <krytyk> its spam hydra
  +
[16:09] <krytyk> not just any hydra
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[16:11] <thelastguardian> phpbb actually discourages captcha, interesting...
  +
[16:11] * Rock96 failed
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[16:11] <thelastguardian> instead they recommand double account verification
  +
[16:11] <stellarroze> what's that?
  +
[16:11] <+Lord-Simon> hmmm...
  +
[16:12] <cloudii> email verification?
  +
[16:12] <stellarroze> that one verification
  +
[16:12] <stellarroze> what's the second one?
  +
[16:12] <krytyk> phone?
  +
[16:12] * stellarroze hugs cloudii
  +
[16:12] <thelastguardian> admin verification
  +
[16:12] <Misogi> A code to type?
  +
[16:12] <Lery> Admin aproval ?
  +
[16:12] <Lery> Heck
  +
[16:12] * cloudii hugs stella
  +
[16:12] <Lery> That's too bothersome for the admin
  +
[16:12] <Misogi> It's time-consuming...
  +
[16:13] <stellarroze> ^
  +
[16:13] <krytyk> its reliable, but not for a big communities
  +
[16:13] <@Arisu-tan> or for the ones with inactive admins
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[16:13] <Misogi> Perhaps sending a code to the mail address would work.
  +
[16:13] <thelastguardian> new account can post up to x number of posts before they need the 2nd verification
  +
[16:13] <krytyk> pointless, most of them are blocked after first post
  +
[16:13] <Lery> Do you already use "custom profile fields" ?
  +
[16:14] <thelastguardian> the problem is, every single phpbb captcha method has been cracked
  +
[16:14] <thelastguardian> yeah
  +
[16:14] <+Lord-Simon> Misogi, too easy.
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[16:14] <Misogi> Hmm...
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[16:14] <Lery> What about reCAPTCHA ??
  +
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[16:14] <thelastguardian> cracked in 2011
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[16:14] <thelastguardian> https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/advanced_double_activation_pack/
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[16:15] <Lery> The CAPTCHA itself ? Or the extension for phpBB ?
  +
[16:15] <thelastguardian> both
  +
[16:15] <stellarroze> how many forum admins do we have?
  +
[16:15] <Lery> https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/crazy_maths_captcha_plugin/details/
  +
[16:15] <Lery> ^^
  +
[16:15] <Lery> 2 to my knowledge : TLG and Oni
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[16:15] <Misogi> Lery...
  +
[16:15] <stellarroze> okay...
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[16:16] <+Lord-Simon> Lery...
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[16:16] <Misogi> Find something that an average human can solve.
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[16:16] <stellarroze> unless we get more forum admins, double-activation is unfeasible
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[16:16] <Lery> Misogi ? Lord-Simon ? Do you all dislike LaTeX ? ^^
  +
[16:16] <stellarroze> the maths thingy?
  +
[16:16] <+Lord-Simon> No
  +
[16:16] <+Lord-Simon> why
  +
[16:16] <+Lord-Simon> one of the greatest things you can use to write your thesis
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[16:16] <Lery> Honestly, everybody can solve little equations like that...
  +
[16:17] <+Lord-Simon> sorry
  +
[16:17] <+Lord-Simon> the thing
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[16:17] <Lery> Exactly ^^
  +
[16:17] <+Lord-Simon> sure
  +
[16:17] <+Lord-Simon> that one is broken too
  +
[16:17] <+Lord-Simon> I guess
  +
[16:17] <Rock96> That thingy isn't solvable though?
  +
[16:18] <Lery> Sure it is : 2 \pi n + \pi - sin^(-1)(84)
  +
[16:19] <Rock96> I can't wrap up my head round that syntax
  +
[16:20] <Lery> It's Latex ^^' Sorry for that. Well it's x = 2 pi n+pi-sin^(-1)(84)
  +
[16:20] <nanodesuyo> thats not well defined unless you know if 84 is in radians or degrees
  +
[16:22] <Rock96> ...do you mean arcsin(84) by sin(84) or I'm just reading too deep? Anyway, if I cannot solve it in a minute and I'm a Physics Major...
  +
[16:23] <Lery> True ^^
  +
[16:23] <Rock96> Let's not use it.
  +
[16:23] <+Lord-Simon> lol
  +
[16:23] <Lery> actually, you can simplify by x and multiply by 2 so you have : sin(x) = 84
  +
[16:24] <+Lord-Simon> Shhhh
  +
[16:24] <thelastguardian> that's not...solvable
  +
[16:24] <+Lord-Simon> it's sunday
  +
[16:24] <Lery> So it's sin^(-1)(84) aka arcsin(84)
  +
[16:24] <Lery> ^^'
  +
[16:24] <+Lord-Simon> I don'T want to read things that make me think
  +
[16:24] <Lery> Then that : https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/simplemath_captcha_plugin/details/
  +
[16:24] * stellarroze doesn't wanna see trig functions D:
  +
[16:24] <Lery> You won't there
  +
[16:25] <Lery> The problem is that everything is outdated anyway
  +
[16:25] <stellarroze> what if people can't do simple math...
  +
[16:25] <Vallor> Mathematics don't interest me. Have a good day/night guys!
  +
[16:25] <Nurin> ya
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[16:25] <stellarroze> bye bye vallor
  +
[16:25] <Nurin> Mathematics...
  +
[16:25] <thelastguardian> we already have question captcha
  +
[16:25] <Rock96> ...Ah, I see. So that relies on errors rather than math.
  +
[16:25] <Nurin> Good Grief
  +
[16:26] <thelastguardian> just that the questions are.....
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[16:26] <Nurin> I have enough of it during the week
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[16:26] <stellarroze> the questions are...?
  +
[16:26] <Nurin> the questions are...?
  +
[16:26] <Rock96> C-C-Combo Breaker!
  +
[16:26] <Nurin> the questions are...?
  +
[16:26] <stellarroze> the questions are...?
  +
[16:26] <Nurin> let's spam it stellar :D
  +
[16:27] <stellarroze> okay!
  +
[16:27] <Lery> Already solved given the fact we have spammers...
  +
[16:27] <Nurin> until he answer
  +
[16:27] <thelastguardian> eg: In what month is Baka-Tsuki official birthday in?
  +
[16:27] <Nurin> until he answer
  +
[16:27] * Rock96 hits stella and nurin
  +
[16:27] <+Lord-Simon> ....
  +
[16:27] <Nurin> :/
  +
[16:27] <thelastguardian> i don't know and i am the founder for gawd's sake
  +
[16:27] <stellarroze> i dunno tlg
  +
[16:27] <Lery> Or not yet solved but unsolvable for human being as well
  +
[16:27] <+Lord-Simon> ......
  +
[16:27] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[16:27] <+Lord-Simon> wait
  +
[16:27] <Lery> What the hell...
  +
[16:27] <stellarroze> i never said hi...
  +
[16:27] <Lery> I don't even know that
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[16:27] <stellarroze> :(
  +
[16:28] <+Lord-Simon> 17th of march
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[16:28] <Lery> Ahahah, you neither ? Well
  +
[16:28] <Lery> That's too much, I agree.
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[16:28] <+Lord-Simon> 2009
  +
[16:28] <Lery> Oni was inspired, I guess ^^'
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> I guess TLG doesn't even remember how many years old BT is
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[16:28] <thelastguardian> what are some, generic enough to the public, but specific enough?
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> neither me
  +
[16:28] <Rock96> ...2006?
  +
[16:28] <+Lord-Simon> ah
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> how many yers old
  +
[16:28] <thelastguardian> from the forum stat: Board started: 28 Nov 2004 07:52 pm
  +
[16:28] <+Lord-Simon> damn
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> 8?
  +
[16:28] <+Lord-Simon> net and org
  +
[16:28] <Lery> What is the name of the author of [Input LN name here]
  +
[16:28] <Rock96> Damn.
  +
[16:28] <Nurin> no
  +
[16:29] <stellarroze> what does baka mean?
  +
[16:29] <+Lord-Simon> 2005-01-09
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[16:29] <Nurin> make the questions
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[16:29] <+Lord-Simon> 9th of january
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[16:29] <Lery> 28 nov :P
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[16:29] <stellarroze> what's the colour of the headband on the baka-tsuki mascot?
  +
[16:29] <Nurin> oh
  +
[16:29] <Nurin> I have no idea
  +
[16:29] <Nurin> D:
  +
[16:29] <+Lord-Simon> orange
  +
[16:30] <Lery> I can't even distinguish colours there...
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[16:30] <Nurin> ^
  +
[16:30] <Nurin> that
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[16:30] <stellarroze> welcome lucille
  +
[16:31] <Rock96> ...How many fingers are shown on that image?
  +
[16:31] <stellarroze> we need questions
  +
[16:31] * Rock96 grins
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[16:31] <stellarroze> lol
  +
[16:31] <Misogi> So we'll still use questions?
  +
[16:32] <+Lord-Simon> fingers....
  +
[16:32] <+Lord-Simon> 10
  +
[16:32] <Lucille> I can count the ppl I know here with just 1 finger...
  +
[16:32] <Lucille> and that is myself...
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[16:32] <Rock96> Actually, I'd say eight or zero.
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[16:32] <cloudii> Just make common sense questions
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[16:32] <Nurin> make the questions like
  +
[16:32] <thelastguardian> it's disabled for now, until I find a better batch of questions (no offense to the hard working folks who composed the current batch, but really....)
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[16:32] <cloudii> Human many fingers does a human have?
  +
[16:32] <stellarroze> how many vowels are there in "baka-tsuki"?
  +
[16:32] <Nurin> 1 + 1 = ?
  +
[16:32] <stellarroze> 3!
  +
[16:33] <stellarroze> no
  +
[16:33] <Lucille> 6?
  +
[16:33] <stellarroze> 11!
  +
[16:33] <Nurin> 1 + 1 = 11
  +
[16:33] <Lery> What about things like that : https://www.keycaptcha.com/captcha-for-cms/
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[16:33] <Nurin> :D
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[16:33] <Rock96> 3! like 3!= 2*3= 6?
  +
[16:33] <Lucille> 39916800
  +
[16:33] <Cthaeh> at one point the idea came around of making the questions based on the forum rules, just one possible source for questions
  +
[16:33] <Lery> Yeah that was a good one
  +
[16:33] <Rock96> No, please.
  +
[16:33] <stellarroze> YES
  +
[16:33] <stellarroze> that's a brilliant idea
  +
[16:34] <stellarroze> cu-kun :D
  +
[16:34] <+Lord-Simon> http://mangapark.com/manga/tokyo-hatsu-isekai-yuki
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[16:34] <Lery> Like "What's the third word of the third rule ?"
  +
[16:34] <Misogi> Why not, but we need to clarify the rules.
  +
[16:35] * Rock96 groans
  +
[16:36] * Kira0802 slaps thelastguardian around a bit with a large trout
  +
[16:36] <Lery> Right, we talked about doing so earlier... :|
  +
[16:36] <Kira0802> TLG~~
  +
[16:36] <Nurin> *_*
  +
[16:36] <Nurin> Rikka
  +
[16:36] <Kira0802> Nurin~~
  +
[16:36] <Nurin> long time no see
  +
[16:36] <thelastguardian> i haven't try keycaptcha for a long time (had to use it on smartphones), but i am willing to give it a spin again
  +
[16:36] * stellarroze hugs Kira0802
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[16:36] * Kira0802 hugs stella
  +
[16:37] * Nurin hugs Stellar
  +
[16:37] <Kira0802> i'm off for a while,
  +
[16:37] * Lord-Simon feels alone
  +
[16:37] <stellarroze> :(
  +
[16:37] <Kira0802> but TLG, we need more mods
  +
[16:37] <Kira0802> ;_;
  +
[16:37] <Lery> There is a free version and it's pretty much solvable
  +
[16:37] * stellarroze hugs Lord-Simon
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[16:37] * Nurin hugs Rikka
  +
[16:37] * Lord-Simon hugs stella
  +
[16:37] <Nurin> free hugs!!!!!
  +
[16:37] * Lord-Simon is happeh~
  +
[16:37] <Nurin> Who want free Hugs!!!!??
  +
[16:37] * Rock96 feels lost
  +
[16:37] * Lord-Simon puches Nurin
  +
[16:37] <thelastguardian> moderators?
  +
[16:37] <Rock96> Again?
  +
[16:37] * Nurin hugs Rock96
  +
[16:38] <Lucille> do i get hugs too?
  +
[16:38] * stellarroze hugs Lucille
  +
[16:38] * Lucille hugs stellarroze.
  +
[16:38] * Nurin Hugs Lord-Simon
  +
[16:38] * Rock96 uses slapstick on Nurin
  +
[16:38] <Lucille> yay
  +
[16:38] * Nurin hugs lucille
  +
[16:38] * Lucille ignores Nurin.
  +
[16:38] <Lucille> (lol)
  +
[16:38] * Lord-Simon pushes Nurin away
  +
[16:38] * Nurin hugs ThelastGuardian
  +
[16:38] * Nurin hugs Nurin
  +
[16:38] <+Lord-Simon> ...
  +
[16:38] <Rock96> ...
  +
[16:38] <Lery> Kira0802, could you elaborate...
  +
[16:38] <stellarroze> ...
  +
[16:38] <Nurin> it's love
  +
[16:38] <Lucille> love thy self
  +
[16:38] <Nurin> and is free
  +
[16:38] <Kira0802> oh yeah
  +
[16:38] <Lery> We have a lot of "FSB" mods nowadays, don't we ?
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> I love myself
  +
[16:39] <stellarroze> what is FSB anyway?
  +
[16:39] * Rock96 prepares slapstick for Nurin again
  +
[16:39] <+Lord-Simon> ...narcissist
  +
[16:39] <Lery> Fringe security bureau
  +
[16:39] <stellarroze> sounds really serious
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> Simon
  +
[16:39] <Kira0802> BT Forums mods are all MIA
  +
[16:39] <Lucille> friends with sexual benefits
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> If I don't love myself
  +
[16:39] <Lery> aka 馬鹿月の衛星保障機構 - Lunatic Fringe Security Bureau
  +
[16:39] <stellarroze> what's the point of the group?
  +
[16:39] <Misogi> We especially need Global Mods.
  +
[16:39] <Kira0802> global mods
  +
[16:39] <Kira0802> except oni
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> how can I expect other people to do so
  +
[16:39] <stellarroze> ping?
  +
[16:39] <Kira0802> and oni comes once every two weeks or so
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> no
  +
[16:39] <Nurin> like once a month
  +
[16:39] <Kira0802> ping stopped moderating since a while
  +
[16:40] <Nurin> or when people bother him
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[16:40] <Lery> At first they were thought to moderate the ALF
  +
[16:40] <stellarroze> zzhk?
  +
[16:40] <Nurin> When I saw people
  +
[16:40] <Nurin> I say /me
  +
[16:40] <stellarroze> larethian?
  +
[16:40] <Nurin> Lare-tan
  +
[16:40] <Rock96> Cult Leader?
  +
[16:40] <Nurin> it has a long time that I don't see lare-tan
  +
[16:40] <Kira0802> I'm OK with having no global mods though, if FSB and others can take care of it
  +
[16:40] <stellarroze> fuwafuwa~~~~~~~~~~~
  +
[16:40] <Lery> But they ended up being numerous with mod power and thus are moderating here and there when they see things needing moderation
  +
[16:40] * Nurin feels lonely
  +
[16:41] <Kira0802> And the TL/editor groups are kinda a mess
  +
[16:41] * Rock96 hits Nurin with slapstick. Again
  +
[16:41] <Kira0802> C-Z is an editor there lol
  +
[16:41] <thelastguardian> sigh
  +
[16:41] <Lery> Yeah, but then we come to the matter of "we need an active admin with power to manage groups"
  +
[16:41] <stellarroze> thelastguardian...do you want a hug?
  +
[16:41] <Nurin> lol
  +
[16:41] <Lery> Oni doesn't handle groups so much, only when he has to absolutely.
  +
[16:41] <Nurin> stellar
  +
[16:42] <Nurin> hug me
  +
[16:42] <Nurin> plx
  +
[16:42] * Kira0802 hugs thelastguardian
  +
[16:42] <Kira0802> Hugs first, ask later
  +
[16:42] <Kira0802> <3
  +
[16:42] <+Lord-Simon> Kira is a trap
  +
[16:42] <Rock96> Kira steals the march!
  +
[16:42] <Lucille> (i will take another hug if they arent wanted)
  +
[16:42] * Nurin hugs Kira0802
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[16:42] <stellarroze> 'kay~
  +
[16:42] * stellarroze hugs thelastguardian
  +
[16:42] <@Arisu-tan> the entire channel now has hug-herpes
  +
[16:42] * stellarroze hugs Arisu-tan
  +
[16:42] <Rock96> ...I don't?
  +
[16:42] * Nurin hugs stellarroze
  +
[16:42] <stellarroze> i'm sure we'll figure it out
  +
[16:42] <Lucille> you are implying stellar is spreading herpes
  +
[16:42] * Nurin hugs Rock96
  +
[16:43] * Nurin hugs Thelastguardian
  +
[16:43] <+Lord-Simon> TLG ?
  +
[16:43] <stellarroze> not everyone here is a complete baka
  +
[16:43] * Rock96 hits Nurin with slapstick
  +
[16:43] * Nurin hugs everyone
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[16:43] <Nurin> oh
  +
[16:43] <Rock96> Stuhp
  +
[16:43] <Nurin> I completely forgot
  +
[16:43] * Nurin hugs Lery
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[16:43] <Nurin> my my
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[16:43] <Nurin> lery should be feeling lonely
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[16:43] <Nurin> give him more attention
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[16:43] <Lery> T.T Why ?
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[16:43] <Nurin> cause no one hugs you
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[16:44] <Nurin> but I do
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[16:44] <Lery> Heck, I was hoping to get along without those ^^'
  +
[16:44] * Nurin hugs lery
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[16:44] * Rock96 groans
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[16:44] <Nurin> hugs are important
  +
[16:44] <Nurin> well
  +
[16:44] <Nurin> we can switch to hand shakes then
  +
[16:44] * Lery struggles
  +
[16:44] <Nurin> :/
  +
[16:44] <Lucille> i dont need hugs from men
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[16:44] <Nurin> sigh
  +
[16:44] <Nurin> I am not a man
  +
[16:44] <cautr`off> your hands are filthy
  +
[16:44] <Nurin> neither a trap
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[16:44] <cautr`off> that ain't better
  +
[16:44] <Rock96> lol
  +
[16:45] <Nurin> I am a formless entity
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[16:45] <Nurin> just that
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[16:45] <Misogi> Well... what are we discussing now?
  +
[16:45] <Nurin> hugs?
  +
[16:45] <cautr`off> still discussing?
  +
[16:45] * Rock96 calls Ghost Busters
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[16:45] <cautr`off> it's 10.45
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[16:45] <Nurin> I think we should implement a hug sistem on BT
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[16:45] <stellarroze> BACK ON TRACK!!!!!!!!!!
  +
[16:45] <thelastguardian> okay, i will leave the forum's captcha aside for now
  +
[16:45] <Misogi> Okay, the captcha is done.
  +
[16:45] <Misogi> Then, regarding the wiki matters.
  +
[16:46] <Lery> Alright
  +
[16:46] <Nurin> TLG ignored everyone hugs
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[16:46] <Nurin> how unpolite
  +
[16:46] <Nurin> D:
  +
[16:46] <Lery> TLG what were you able to do until now ?
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[16:46] <Nurin> you should hugs them back
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[16:46] <stellarroze> we're not on the same level as him nurin
  +
[16:46] <stellarroze> he's the big boss
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[16:46] <Misogi> The Copyright and Supervisor Protection things.
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[16:46] <Lery> Wiki Captcha is okay now ?
  +
[16:46] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[16:46] * Rock96 breaks slapstick on Nurin's head.
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[16:46] <Nurin> I think
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[16:46] <Rock96> Should calm him down?
  +
[16:46] <Rock96> Hopefully.
  +
[16:46] <Nurin> that people should hug each other
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[16:46] <Lery> Wiki Supervisor can now manage locked page again ?
  +
[16:46] <Rock96> Damn.
  +
[16:46] <thelastguardian> you rather me hugging everyone, or fix the sites? :)
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[16:46] <cautr`off> oh my, the lord and savior himself's present?
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[16:46] <Nurin> nothing to do with their position
  +
[16:47] <Nurin> :(
  +
[16:47] <Nurin> k
  +
[16:47] <Nurin> go fix that
  +
[16:47] <Nurin> and then hug
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[16:47] <+Lord-Simon> server_tokens off;
  +
[16:47] <Nurin> problem solved
  +
[16:47] <cautr`off> then why don't u guys stop spamming and get ur message down to one proper line so that things can actually get done?
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[16:47] <+Lord-Simon> add_header X-Frame-Options SAMEORIGIN;
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[16:47] <Nurin> k
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[16:47] <Nurin> gtg
  +
[16:47] <+Lord-Simon> add_header X-XSS-Protection "1; mode=block";
  +
[16:47] <Lucille> how sophisticated is the wiki's permission masks?
  +
[16:48] <thelastguardian> wait, i am trying to decide which issue to tackle next
  +
[16:48] <+Lord-Simon> Up to you
  +
[16:48] <Lery> thelastguardian, what about that : http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5578
  +
[16:48] <thelastguardian> 1. Copyright link: where's the broken link? The ones I see are all good....
  +
[16:48] <Misogi> Home page.
  +
[16:48] <+Lord-Simon> I won't touch Content-Security-Policy, as it's a pain in the ass.
  +
[16:48] <Lery> it's just an old URL...
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[16:49] <thelastguardian> 2. password complexity- easy fix, doing it now (brb)
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[16:49] <+Lord-Simon> I'd say
  +
[16:49] <stellarroze> password complexity...?
  +
[16:49] <+Lord-Simon> you can lower the complexity
  +
[16:50] <+Lord-Simon> but increase the minimum length
  +
[16:50] <Lery> Lord-Simon, do we really need add_header X-Frame-Options SAMEORIGIN; ??? Can we use iframe on the wiki ???
  +
[16:50] * stellarroze 's memory is gonna be pushed to the limit
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[16:50] <+Lord-Simon> Lerry : http://nyanit.com/baka-tsuki.org
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[16:50] <stellarroze> hi guest
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[16:51] <Guest37588> give me a free hug or else
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[16:51] <Lery> But I agree with the fact that the server_tokens off; option could be a good idea
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[16:51] * stellarroze hugs Guest 37588
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[16:51] <Lery> Ah ! Okay, I got it ^^'
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[16:51] <+Lord-Simon> it's never a good idea to send any information
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[16:51] <thelastguardian> sigh
  +
[16:51] <Lery> I though you wanted to protect it in the other direction
  +
[16:52] <Misogi> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:Copyrights
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[16:52] <Misogi> -> https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:Copyrights
  +
[16:52] <stellarroze> oh https
  +
[16:53] <stellarroze> that's weird...
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[16:53] <thelastguardian> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:Copyrights <-which page does this happen in?
  +
[16:53] <stellarroze> so the copyright page only exists on the https versin?
  +
[16:53] <Lery> About the add_header X-XSS-Protection "1; mode=block"; is it currently activated by default on any modern browser ?
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[16:53] <Misogi> Home, thelastguardian
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[16:53] <+Lord-Simon> yes
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[16:53] <+Lord-Simon> since long ago
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[16:54] <Misogi> The one to the left of the MediaWiki logo.
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[16:54] <+Lord-Simon> Probably around 7 month or more
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[16:54] == Guest37588 has changed nick to nanodesuyo
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[16:54] <Lery> thelastguardian details here : http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5578
  +
[16:54] <+Lord-Simon> If I wanted
  +
[16:54] <+Lord-Simon> I could force people to use the newest browsers
  +
[16:54] <+Lord-Simon> that access some sites
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[16:54] <stellarroze> please don't
  +
[16:54] <+Lord-Simon> or the newest updates
  +
[16:55] <Lery> Okay, I thought it was since IE8 ^^'
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[16:55] <thelastguardian> interesting, copyright links are fine for me on both http/https
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[16:55] <stellarroze> http doesn't work for me
  +
[16:55] <thelastguardian> i will work on the iframe next, just be patient....
  +
[16:56] <Lery> thelastguardian : it's not the copyright link, but the broken image with a link at the very end of every page on the wiki, in the footer ;)
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[16:56] * stellarroze hands a plate of cookies to Lord-Simon
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[16:56] <Lery> It was at first intended to redirect to the copyright though
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[16:57] * Lord-Simon takes a cookie
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[16:57] * Lord-Simon is now on the dark side
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[16:57] <stellarroze> grrrrrrrrrr
  +
[16:58] <Lery> Here is an image of the copyright's problem : http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7233/bakatsukiemptysquarebug.png
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[16:58] <Lery> Position of the blank rectangle however depend on your wiki theme
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[17:00] <thelastguardian> okay, fixed. It broke because of a Google Adsense hack
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[17:00] <+Lord-Simon> lol
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[17:00] <+Lord-Simon> I remember that
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[17:00] <+Lord-Simon> one
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[17:00] <thelastguardian> next up, XSS
  +
[17:00] <+Lord-Simon> btw. Lery, Widevine is now a standard of Chrome
  +
[17:00] <+Lord-Simon> is always active
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[17:01] <Lery> Speaking of https... What about : server { listen 80; server_name .baka-tsuki.org; rewrite ^ https://$host$request_uri permanent; }
  +
[17:01] <Misogi> Supervisor Protection?
  +
[17:01] <thelastguardian> offtopic: for the last week or so, as part of my work i have been looking at hundreds of live drive-by xss sites.....
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[17:01] <+Lord-Simon> ah that
  +
[17:01] <+Lord-Simon> only for the login and registration
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[17:01] <Lery> Lord-Simon : I hate DRM...
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[17:02] <+Lord-Simon> :D
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[17:02] <Misogi> "The "supervisors/administrators only" option disappeared, and it's impossible for supervisors to edit pages with that setting."
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[17:02] <Lery> Yeah, thelastguardian, this ^ is annoying for the supervisors !
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[17:03] <+Lord-Simon> and the supervisors can'T set the protection level higher than the logged in user
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[17:04] <Nurin> k
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[17:04] <Nurin> bak
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[17:04] <stellarroze> wb nurin~
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[17:04] <thelastguardian> Lery: which wiki skin are you using?
  +
[17:04] <Lery> Offtopic : Speaking of drive-by, there are nice attacks again old Android version which allow to gain root through visiting a page
  +
[17:04] <+Lord-Simon> loli skin
  +
[17:05] <Lery> Well, the old one...
  +
[17:05] <+Lord-Simon> ah
  +
[17:05] <Lery> But it happens with the new one as well
  +
[17:06] <Misogi> One thing done. Right.
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[17:07] <Lery> Here is an image : http://wouaib.ch/images/screenoftbt-copyrights.JPG
  +
[17:07] <Lery> The grey rectangle shouldn't be empty...
  +
[17:07] <Lery> But the link is fine now however
  +
[17:08] <+Lord-Simon> Using Vector skin
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[17:08] <Lery> Nice work
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[17:08] <Misogi> Well, we should pass on more important subjects...
  +
[17:08] <+Lord-Simon> dropped the cache and the link is ok
  +
[17:08] <Misogi> The link works at least.
  +
[17:08] <Nurin> just a question
  +
[17:08] <cloudii> Finally completed the minutes for the morning session....
  +
[17:08] <cloudii> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Meeting:March302014#Minutes
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[17:08] <Lery> Yeah, what about the supervisor inability to manage locked pages ?
  +
[17:08] <Nurin> am I the only one that uses BT in Japanese?
  +
[17:08] <Kira0802> guys
  +
[17:08] <Kira0802> why did you guys put my part with the tree?
  +
[17:08] <Lery> Certainly... I didn't even know it was ported to JP
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[17:09] <Nurin> ya
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[17:09] <Lery> Kira0802 : because it's awesome ? =$
  +
[17:09] <+Lord-Simon> TLG, for your info: Failed to load resource: net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT https://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js
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[17:09] <+Lord-Simon> oh
  +
[17:09] <+Lord-Simon> wait
  +
[17:09] <+Lord-Simon> that's me
  +
[17:09] <+Lord-Simon> damn
  +
[17:10] <Lery> Lol, I just discovered that BT had a "google adsense" place on the left ^^'''
  +
[17:10] <Nurin> oh
  +
[17:10] <+Lord-Simon> Well
  +
[17:10] <Nurin> you didn't know that?
  +
[17:10] <Lery> Guys, let's all go and click it
  +
[17:10] <Nurin> TLG made a good job hiding that
  +
[17:11] <Nurin> :D
  +
[17:11] <Lery> It's for the sake of BT ^^'
  +
[17:11] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[17:11] <+Lord-Simon> Well, there was also the fun with B-T
  +
[17:11] <+Lord-Simon> and AdSense
  +
[17:11] <Lery> Which fun ?
  +
[17:11] <Lery> I missed it ?
  +
[17:12] <Nurin> oh
  +
[17:12] <+Lord-Simon> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_4_Life_1
  +
[17:12] <Nurin> the one with DxD?
  +
[17:12] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[17:12] <Nurin> TLG had to remove the AD from the page
  +
[17:13] <Nurin> 'cause the content was too ecchi
  +
[17:13] <Nurin> lol
  +
[17:13] <Lery> ??? Ahahahhaha
  +
[17:13] <+Lord-Simon> :D
  +
[17:13] <Lery> Exceptional
  +
[17:13] <Nurin> I wonder
  +
[17:13] <Kira0802> lol
  +
[17:13] <Nurin> Why do I keep getting emails from porn sites offering me to drop their prices, even though I never registered in one...
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> liar
  +
[17:14] <Lery> Does the ad cover even 10% of the server fee, thelastguardian ???
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> i never got one
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> Nurin def registered
  +
[17:14] <Nurin> Kira
  +
[17:14] <Nurin> you is related with traffic of sexual slaves
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> me it's FB
  +
[17:14] <Nurin> you have nothing to base yourself
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> doesn't count
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> :DD
  +
[17:14] <Nurin> yeah
  +
[17:14] <Nurin> it counts
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> no
  +
[17:14] <Kira0802> :<
  +
[17:15] <Kira0802> I blame AL
  +
[17:15] <Nurin> it does
  +
[17:15] <Nurin> You should blame yourselfe
  +
[17:15] <Misogi> ... Almost midnight, huh...
  +
[17:15] <Nurin> hahahaha
  +
[17:15] <thelastguardian> i don't have the copyright icon (my old wiki installation doesn't have that)
  +
[17:15] <Nurin> you should go sleep
  +
[17:15] <thelastguardian> so that's that
  +
[17:15] <+Lord-Simon> ok
  +
[17:15] <thelastguardian> as for the XSS, I put in the SAMEORIGIN header option into nginx config file
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[17:15] <+Lord-Simon> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User:Pumkingboyz/Sandbox:Main_page_proposal
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[17:16] <Misogi> Let's move on, then.
  +
[17:16] <+Lord-Simon> now fire configtest and reload
  +
[17:16] <thelastguardian> impressive
  +
[17:16] <+Lord-Simon> so...
  +
[17:16] <+Lord-Simon> that's a yes for the change ?
  +
[17:16] <Nurin> reload the cannons
  +
[17:16] <Nurin> 30 seconds to do that bastards
  +
[17:16] <thelastguardian> if no one has any objection
  +
[17:16] <Lery> Alright ^^
  +
[17:16] <thelastguardian> then yes, you have green light
  +
[17:17] <Lery> What about the supervisor rights ? Did you do that already ?
  +
[17:17] <thelastguardian> but, hmm, i guess no one here except for me has the edit right?
  +
[17:17] <Misogi> Hence Lery's remark.
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[17:17] <+Lord-Simon> Ok, I'm gonna change the page
  +
[17:17] <Misogi> We'd do it if we could.
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[17:17] <+Lord-Simon> front page
  +
[17:18] <Lery> Actually Supervisors used to have them, but with the update the rights disappeared, as we already discussed.
  +
[17:18] <thelastguardian> okay, let me make sure the XSS stuff is fixed first
  +
[17:18] <+Lord-Simon> ah
  +
[17:18] <+Lord-Simon> yeah
  +
[17:18] <+Lord-Simon> forgot
  +
[17:19] <thelastguardian> that iframe nyancat hijack only works on the front page
  +
[17:19] <thelastguardian> now
  +
[17:19] <+Lord-Simon> ah
  +
[17:19] <+Lord-Simon> tlg
  +
[17:19] <+Lord-Simon> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:About#Baka-Tsuki_Media_Platforms
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[17:19] <Lery> @thelastguardian seems good to me
  +
[17:20] <+Lord-Simon> I can't edit the front page
  +
[17:20] <+Lord-Simon> forgot that the rights changed
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[17:21] <Kira0802> lol
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[17:21] <Kira0802> I can delete the page but not edit it
  +
[17:21] <thelastguardian> lol
  +
[17:22] <thelastguardian> the mediawiki permission config section is a mess (since the wiki is 10 years old already, it has many left over junk)
  +
[17:22] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[17:22] <Nurin> good luck on that
  +
[17:22] <Nurin> (The only thing I can say)
  +
[17:23] <thelastguardian> plus mediawiki version updates doesn't add variables automatically into the config file... <-probably what causes the breakage
  +
[17:23] <stellarroze> ganbatte!
  +
[17:23] <+Lord-Simon> ...
  +
[17:23] <stellarroze> ?
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[17:23] <Misogi> Two things done (Copyright and Main Page).
  +
[17:23] <+Lord-Simon> doesn't it let you generate it anew ?
  +
[17:23] <Misogi> The topics' page was edited.
  +
[17:26] <thelastguardian> there are way too many modifications
  +
[17:26] <thelastguardian> due to the way we we mediawiki (mostly has to do with the 100kb+ pages)
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[17:26] <Misogi> So it must be done from scratch.
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[17:26] <thelastguardian> we use*
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[17:27] <Lery> Hell
  +
[17:27] <Misogi> Well, some powers we were supposed to have aren't available, so that explains why.
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[17:27] <Lery> Well, wouldn't redoing every groups be faster than cleaning up the old config file ?
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[17:28] <thelastguardian> i don't want to get 10+ regression reports :)
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[17:28] <+Lord-Simon> ^
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[17:28] <Lery> ^^'
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[17:28] <thelastguardian> https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Special:ListGroupRights
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[17:28] <+Lord-Simon> We also have a defined list of
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[17:28] <Kira0802> Lery, what are regression reports?
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[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> Edit pages protected as "Administrators/supervisors only" (editprotected)
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[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> Edit pages protected as "Allow only autoconfirmed users" (editsemiprotected)
  +
[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> That what is missing in the supervisor right
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[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> s
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[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> like the last time
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[17:29] <+Lord-Simon> adn Change protection levels and edit cascade-protected pages (protect)
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[17:30] <Lery> @Kira0802, well, it's a report you get when there are new regression/failures
  +
[17:30] <Kira0802> kk
  +
[17:32] <Lery> @Kira0802 : whenever you make change to the wiki it may break something, so the wiki has some self tests to control whether it's the case or not. And such a change is a major change and would shake up the wiki regression routine...
  +
[17:33] <Lery> There are a lot of people in those groups...
  +
[17:37] <Kira0802> so
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[17:37] <Kira0802> what's going on now?
  +
[17:38] <thelastguardian> okay, i've added the permissions
  +
[17:38] <cloudii> yay :3
  +
[17:38] <+Lord-Simon> I SEE EDIT BUTTON
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[17:38] <+Lord-Simon> hurray
  +
[17:38] <+Lord-Simon> gonna edit the main page
  +
[17:39] <Lery> Good
  +
[17:40] <Lery> Well, I can't check it, but Misogi sure will ;) (You have to change the link on the SAO page, as a remainder ^^)
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[17:40] <Misogi> It works.
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[17:42] <Lery> Ah and the link on the Hidan_no_Aria page too
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[17:42] <Lery> to Hidan_no_Aria_-_Français
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[17:42] <Misogi> I'll do it.
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[17:42] <Kira0802> speaking of which
  +
[17:42] <Kira0802> SAO/AW sub-forum should be moved to abandonned
  +
[17:43] <Lery> Yeah T.T
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[17:43] <Misogi> We'll speak of forum issues now.
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[17:43] <Misogi> There are simpler things before that.
  +
[17:44] <thelastguardian> okay, so the wiki permission is considered fixed?
  +
[17:44] <stellarroze> why isn't sword art online in the abandoned tab on wthe wiki already?
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[17:44] <krytyk> there was something more...
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[17:44] <stellarroze> volume 1 is coming out next month
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[17:44] <krytyk> the protect/unprotect thing someone had problem with
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[17:44] <krytyk> zzhk was it
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[17:44] <thelastguardian> hmmmm, that's a good question
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[17:44] <Misogi> Yes, although it'd be better to redo the permission config section.
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[17:44] <Misogi> But later.
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[17:45] <Lery> About the forum, why don't you quickly click the "prune users" button, thelastguardian ? ;)
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[17:45] <thelastguardian> anyone wants to response to that SAO issue?
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[17:45] <Lery> I guess we could move it...
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[17:45] <thelastguardian> because i get enough 'Why is my account banned/deactivated/missing' emails as it is
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[17:45] <Lery> But any way, there were lot of discussion about changing the sidebar
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[17:46] <stellarroze> we should delete the SAO project...
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[17:46] <stellarroze> it's long overdue
  +
[17:46] <Kira0802> delete the chapters*
  +
[17:46] <Lery> No deletion stella !
  +
[17:46] <stellarroze> yes
  +
[17:46] <stellarroze> volume 1 is coming out next month
  +
[17:46] <Lery> Just move it to the abandoned projects
  +
[17:46] <Kira0802> leave empty page for archives
  +
[17:46] <thelastguardian> Well, let's not make SAO publisher work any easier
  +
[17:46] <stellarroze> and neko said that SAO has also be licensed in france
  +
[17:46] <thelastguardian> we will give the translators a 1 week advance warning
  +
[17:47] <thelastguardian> (and the readers)
  +
[17:47] <Misogi> I'll handle that matter.
  +
[17:47] <Lery> Yeah looks like it was, and not only in France
  +
[17:47] <stellarroze> but it's coming out in november so i guess we don't have to delete it now
  +
[17:47] <stellarroze> ah
  +
[17:47] <stellarroze> okay miso
  +
[17:47] <Kira0802> They've been warned and crying since a few months ago
  +
[17:47] <Kira0802> lol
  +
[17:47] <Lery> Actually the 6 first volume were already removed
  +
[17:47] <thelastguardian> but we've been silent on that front, so I think they can get the extra week freebie :)
  +
[17:47] <stellarroze> SAO and Accel World should have been deleted as soon as we heard that they were licensed...
  +
[17:47] <thelastguardian> lol
  +
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[17:48] <thelastguardian> huh
  +
[17:48] <Lery> The SAO Yen Press' licence is only covering the volume 1 to 4 as of now
  +
[17:48] <stellarroze> how do you know?
  +
[17:48] <Kira0802> ^
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[17:48] <Kira0802> I'm curious too
  +
[17:48] <Kira0802> That was a question we were asking at the time of Shana
  +
[17:48] <stellarroze> and if that's the case why isn't zero no tsukaima placed in abandoned since seven seas still has the license for it?
  +
[17:49] <Kira0802> lol seven seas
  +
[17:49] <Lery> Well if I remember well the reason why we didn't deleted the other volume, it's that...
  +
[17:49] <stellarroze> no seriously
  +
[17:49] <stellarroze> they're making a comeback with light novels
  +
[17:49] <Misogi> May we move on to the other topics?
  +
[17:49] <stellarroze> hai...
  +
[17:50] <thelastguardian> let me look at the SAO page first
  +
[17:50] * stellarroze gives Misogi a double-chocolate cookie
  +
[17:51] <Kira0802> Speaking of which, can we revert the deletion of HnA's registration page?
  +
[17:51] <thelastguardian> iirc we didn't delete Shana because by all intends and purposes, the publisher has abandoned the series
  +
[17:51] <thelastguardian> is it still true?
  +
[17:51] <Kira0802> still true
  +
[17:51] <stellarroze> yep
  +
[17:52] <thelastguardian> since everyone loves SAO, I am guessing the publisher will not abandon it in this case
  +
[17:52] <Kira0802> it's Yen Press
  +
[17:52] <Kira0802> Yen Press doesn't drop a novel
  +
[17:53] <stellarroze> ^
  +
[17:53] <Lery> Yeah, Yen Press does good work ^^
  +
[17:53] <Kira0802> at least, i don't remember them doing so
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[17:53] <stellarroze> Accel World too
  +
[17:53] <thelastguardian> well, then the solution is clear then
  +
[17:53] <stellarroze> they haven't
  +
[17:53] <+Lord-Simon> HEY
  +
[17:53] <+Lord-Simon> GUYS
  +
[17:53] <+Lord-Simon> one thing
  +
[17:53] <Lery> They go up to the end
  +
[17:53] <+Lord-Simon> I have to confirm
  +
[17:53] <Lery> Was ist denn los ?
  +
[17:53] <Kira0802> ?
  +
[17:53] <Lery> You shrieking Itsuki
  +
[17:54] <+Lord-Simon> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Help:Getting_Started
  +
[17:54] <+Lord-Simon> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:Rules
  +
[17:54] <+Lord-Simon> Will be completed and used
  +
[17:54] <+Lord-Simon> right ?
  +
[17:54] <Kira0802> yes
  +
[17:54] <Lery> For the help page, it doesn't need the draft anymore
  +
[17:54] <Lery> Yeah
  +
[17:54] <Misogi> Yes.
  +
[17:54] <Lery> Cloud is in charge
  +
[17:54] <Kira0802> Rules will be edited iirc
  +
[17:54] <Lery> And is fired up.
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[17:55] <+Lord-Simon> good
  +
[17:55] <Lery> However it will need some TLC... Or maybe just C ^^'
  +
[17:56] <Kira0802> So yeah, TLG, I was asking if it was possible to revert HnA's registration page so we can pay tribute to their contributors
  +
[17:56] <thelastguardian> anyway, so all SAO volumes will be gone in 1 week. Anyway comment?
  +
[17:56] <Kira0802> (And leave Nera's name ;_;)
  +
[17:56] <thelastguardian> eh, I thought we keep them already?
  +
[17:56] <Misogi> No problems.
  +
[17:57] <Misogi> One week then.
  +
[17:57] <Kira0802> @TLG Got deleted
  +
[17:57] <thelastguardian> huh
  +
[17:57] <thelastguardian> well, don't delete them next time
  +
[17:57] <thelastguardian> i can undelete it
  +
[17:57] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[17:57] <Misogi> No need to.
  +
[17:57] <Nurin> TLG
  +
[17:57] <Lery> Actually TehPing was handling SAO I think, but...
  +
[17:57] <Nurin> you don't know the pain it was
  +
[17:57] <Nurin> :/
  +
[17:58] <Nurin> BT divided in three factions:
  +
[17:58] <Misogi> Undoing that will cause more problems.
  +
[17:58] <thelastguardian> Kira0802: send me the link of the deleted page
  +
[17:58] <+Lord-Simon> And we moved to the new main page.
  +
[17:58] <Nurin> The "let's delete it" The "Let's wait" and the "I don't care either way"
  +
[17:58] <thelastguardian> Was TehPing here this morning?
  +
[17:59] <Misogi> Nope.
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> nope
  +
[17:59] <Lery> nope
  +
[17:59] <thelastguardian> or noon in Europe
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> Ping is never here
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> no
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> the only way to get ping
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> is in FB
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> he spwn there at random times
  +
[17:59] <+Lord-Simon> wait
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> pawn*
  +
[17:59] <Nurin> spawn*
  +
[17:59] <+Lord-Simon> 204 projects...
  +
[17:59] <thelastguardian> I recall that he handles SAO for the entire time
  +
[17:59] <Lery> not only, you may try to translate some BL or GL or worse and he would show up...
  +
[17:59] <Kira0802> @TLG I can't find the old project page
  +
[17:59] <Kira0802> or the registration page
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[17:59] <thelastguardian> it will be respectful to alert him of our intention
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[18:00] <Lery> Yes we should
  +
[18:00] <Misogi> We shouldn't repost the volumes.
  +
[18:00] <Lery> Yes, we shouldn't
  +
[18:00] <Nurin> TLG
  +
[18:00] <thelastguardian> I don't use facebook, so someone tell him of our intention
  +
[18:00] <Nurin> if you want to drop a message
  +
[18:00] <Nurin> I or Simon can drop at his box
  +
[18:01] <Lery> Nurin, you're in charge then :P
  +
[18:01] <Kira0802> it should be this like though: https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Hidan_No_Aria:Registration_Page
  +
[18:01] <Misogi> It'll cause problems, not to mention the backlash on BT's reputation.
  +
[18:01] <Nurin> just leave here and I CRTL C and CTRL V
  +
[18:01] <+Lord-Simon> "it will be respectful to alert him of our intention"
  +
[18:01] <+Lord-Simon> him ?
  +
[18:02] <Rock96> Ping
  +
[18:02] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[18:02] <Nurin> anyways
  +
[18:02] <Nurin> you do that Simon?
  +
[18:03] <thelastguardian> anyway, let's not announce the deletion until we infrom TehPing
  +
[18:03] <stellarroze> when will Accel World be deleted? a month before it's released?
  +
[18:03] <thelastguardian> inform*
  +
[18:03] <stellarroze> hai!
  +
[18:03] <thelastguardian> is there a person in charge of Accel World?
  +
[18:03] <Lery> Here is the real one, Kira0802
  +
[18:03] <Lery> https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Hidan_no_Aria:Registration_Page&action=edit&redlink=1
  +
[18:04] <Lery> it had a "no" instead of a "No"
  +
[18:04] <Rock96> Um, no one handled AW, I think
  +
[18:05] <thelastguardian> well, i've undeleted it
  +
[18:05] <stellarroze> thelastguardian - there's no project supervisor
  +
[18:05] <thelastguardian> it = AnH registration page
  +
[18:05] <thelastguardian> HnA*
  +
[18:05] <Nurin> AnH?
  +
[18:05] <Nurin> D:
  +
[18:05] <thelastguardian> Japanese is hard
  +
[18:05] <Nurin> anyways
  +
[18:05] <Nurin> TLG
  +
[18:05] <Nurin> what you want to be said to Ping?
  +
[18:05] <+Lord-Simon> wait
  +
[18:05] <+Lord-Simon> let me add
  +
[18:06] <+Lord-Simon> Twin Black Swords, Twin Silver Wings
  +
[18:06] <+Lord-Simon> download it
  +
[18:06] <+Lord-Simon> and hten you candelete it
  +
[18:07] <thelastguardian> brb in 5 min
  +
[18:08] <Lery> Well I gotta sleep...
  +
[18:09] <Lery> I'm waking up early tomorrow, well today already T.T
  +
[18:09] <Kira0802> thanks lery
  +
[18:09] * Kira0802 hugs Lery
  +
[18:09] * Misogi sees that there are many topics still waiting... but not enough time...
  +
[18:09] <cloudii> thanks lery <3
  +
[18:09] <thelastguardian> ok, thanks Lery
  +
[18:09] <Misogi> Thanks Lery
  +
[18:09] <stellarroze> sweet dreams Lery~
  +
[18:09] <Nurin> TLG
  +
[18:09] <Nurin> I have a aquestion
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[18:09] <Lery> By the way, thelastguardian : plz, press the "prune users" button on the forum
  +
[18:10] <Nurin> did you talk to Oni lately?
  +
[18:10] <Misogi> ^ Clean up of users created before 2014
  +
[18:10] <Lery> We have tons of spam account
  +
[18:10] <Lery> Oni is on Twitter nowadays, no ?
  +
[18:10] <Nurin> ya
  +
[18:10] <Nurin> but well
  +
[18:10] <Nurin> there's a problem
  +
[18:10] <Nurin> that he wanted me to solve
  +
[18:11] <Nurin> he went to the point
  +
[18:11] <thelastguardian> Lery: that phpbb double verification mod will take care of that
  +
[18:11] <Nurin> to tell me that I should take my cike
  +
[18:11] <Nurin> and go search for TLG
  +
[18:11] <Nurin> 'cause he didn't anwswer oni's mails
  +
[18:11] <Kira0802> lol
  +
[18:11] <thelastguardian> ?
  +
[18:11] <Misogi> Actually, thelastguardian, we need a clean-up of all users created before 2014, and without a single message.
  +
[18:11] <thelastguardian> who?
  +
[18:12] <Kira0802> bbl, dinner
  +
[18:12] <Misogi> On the forum*
  +
[18:12] <Lery> Epic oni ^^
  +
[18:12] <Nurin> Anyways
  +
[18:12] <Nurin> TLG
  +
[18:12] <Nurin> oni wants rights to use BT's blog
  +
[18:12] <+Lord-Simon> "all users created before 2014, and without a single message."
  +
[18:12] <Nurin> and he said can't do that
  +
[18:12] <Nurin> :(
  +
[18:13] <+Lord-Simon> taht
  +
[18:13] <+Lord-Simon> *that
  +
[18:13] <thelastguardian> misogi: the mod will clean them in 6 weeks time
  +
[18:13] <+Lord-Simon> give the rights to someone who is most of the time online
  +
[18:14] <+Lord-Simon> I mean about the blog
  +
[18:14] <Misogi> I see.
  +
[18:14] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[18:14] <cloudii> Did we get a chance to assign more users who can unban?
  +
[18:14] <cloudii> because there's still a few members still sitting banned in that thread......
  +
[18:14] <+Lord-Simon> We'll find people who want to write an article
  +
[18:14] <Misogi> It hasn't been mentionned, cloudii.
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[18:15] <thelastguardian> as for the blog
  +
[18:15] <thelastguardian> i am thinking of making someone the administrator for that
  +
[18:15] <+Lord-Simon> ?
  +
[18:15] <Nurin> oh
  +
[18:15] <Nurin> good one
  +
[18:15] <+Lord-Simon> Ah
  +
[18:15] <Lery> Yeah, right, the ban/unban powers were removed from the FSB, which is right, but from the FSB team leaders as well, which is less good imo...
  +
[18:15] <+Lord-Simon> yes
  +
[18:15] <thelastguardian> that person will have FULL CONTROL
  +
[18:15] <Lery> Hell I really gotta go
  +
[18:15] <+Lord-Simon> I volunteer
  +
[18:15] <Nurin> me not
  +
[18:15] <Nurin> lol
  +
[18:15] <Lery> Isn't kira already admin of the blog ?
  +
[18:16] <thelastguardian> Not entirely
  +
[18:16] <Lery> Okay.
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> Normal writer
  +
[18:16] <Nurin> then give him
  +
[18:16] <thelastguardian> i don't like how the current wordpress is setup
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> or wait
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> how is it called
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> btw
  +
[18:16] <thelastguardian> the new person can decide which software to use
  +
[18:16] <thelastguardian> CMS*
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> when was the last time you updated
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[18:16] <Nurin> Kira is the one that have nothing to do anyways
  +
[18:16] <Nurin> :D
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> the blogging software
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[18:16] <Lery> long ago I guess
  +
[18:16] <thelastguardian> last month, i think
  +
[18:16] <+Lord-Simon> Well tlg, there are only a few options
  +
[18:16] <Lery> really ?
  +
[18:17] <Lery> But the blog is dead, isn't he ?
  +
[18:17] <thelastguardian> i see a lot of wordpress exploits
  +
[18:17] <+Lord-Simon> WP is one of them
  +
[18:17] <Nurin> we are reviving
  +
[18:17] <Nurin> it
  +
[18:17] <thelastguardian> yeah, that's why i want to change it
  +
[18:17] <cloudii> I have plenty of ideas for the blog
  +
[18:17] <Nurin> Yup
  +
[18:17] <cloudii> and I wouldn't mind writing, but I don't want Admin privileges.......
  +
[18:17] <+Lord-Simon> there is also Ghost
  +
[18:17] <Nurin> cloud is a good one
  +
[18:17] <+Lord-Simon> no one will use Typo3
  +
[18:17] <Nurin> he can watch us from the sky
  +
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[18:17] <Nurin> this is needed
  +
[18:17] <+Lord-Simon> Even I don't want to touch that
  +
[18:18] <Nurin> TLG
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[18:18] <Nurin> Push the Admin on cloudii
  +
[18:18] <Nurin> :D
  +
[18:18] <cloudii> noooooooooo
  +
[18:18] <+Lord-Simon> I can take over the admin privileges
  +
[18:18] <Nurin> :(
  +
[18:18] <Nurin> not fun
  +
[18:18] * Lord-Simon punches Nurin
  +
[18:18] <Nurin> we need someone that is tsudere
  +
[18:18] <cloudii> It takes enough of my time to sit there are post recent updates
  +
[18:18] <cloudii> @____@
  +
[18:18] <+Lord-Simon> ^he does
  +
[18:19] <Kira0802> back
  +
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[18:19] <Nurin> Rikka
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[18:19] <Nurin> we are talking bad things about you
  +
[18:19] <Nurin> were*
  +
[18:19] * stellarroze hugs thelastguardian
  +
[18:19] * stellarroze hugs misogi
  +
[18:19] * stellarroze hugs cloudii
  +
[18:20] <Kira0802> what do you guys want of me?
  +
[18:20] <stellarroze> you guys are awesome!
  +
[18:20] <thelastguardian> Lord-Simon, do you have any particular idea in mind on how to run the blog?
  +
[18:20] <Nurin> everything
  +
[18:20] <cloudii> actually Simon, do you mind if we locate a second recent-update watcher?
  +
[18:20] <Nurin> Rikka
  +
[18:20] <cloudii> Because I think I know a reader who might be willing to do it
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[18:20] <+Lord-Simon> From administrative rights or as a blogger ?
  +
[18:20] <Nurin> damnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  +
[18:20] <cloudii> just blogger
  +
[18:20] <cloudii> on the other facebook page
  +
[18:20] <cloudii> we can test him
  +
[18:20] <Nurin> anananabnabajiasbkjfasojgvbwffsavbdsghpspzgh
  +
[18:21] <Nurin> rikka
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[18:21] <cloudii> I know that Mehedi Hasan Himel watches that Recent Updates page a lot….
  +
[18:21] <Nurin> 貴方の全てが欲しいもの
  +
[18:21] <Nurin> :D
  +
[18:21] <cloudii> posts updates in mchan before I even see them
  +
[18:21] <Nurin> that should be enough for today
  +
[18:21] <thelastguardian> when i say 'full control', i meant 1. layout of the site 2. format of the site 3. contents of the site 4. coordinating between different post contributors
  +
[18:21] <+Lord-Simon> "second recent-update watcher"
  +
[18:21] <Misogi> Lord-Simon, what was done on the "Security" topic?
  +
[18:22] <thelastguardian> starting from the CMS :)
  +
[18:22] <cloudii> I recommend Simon
  +
[18:22] <Nurin> I recommend Cloudii
  +
[18:22] <Nurin> :D
  +
[18:22] <cloudii> D:
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[18:22] <+Lord-Simon> CMS
  +
[18:22] <nanodesuyo> i recommend cloudii
  +
[18:22] <cloudii> DDDDD:
  +
[18:22] <Nurin> we need someone who watch us from the sky
  +
[18:22] <+Lord-Simon> You probably want something running on php
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[18:22] <nanodesuyo> cloudii is omniscient
  +
[18:22] <Nurin> a wild nano appears
  +
[18:22] <Misogi> Simon get my support.
  +
[18:22] <+Lord-Simon> as to not change a software
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[18:23] <Nurin> what do you do?
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[18:23] <+Lord-Simon> or add anything else to the server
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[18:23] <+Lord-Simon> brb 5 min
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[18:23] <Nurin> >Fight >Flee >Offer Bananas >Do nothing
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[18:23] <cloudii> I would recommend Simon or Kira for full admin rights for the blog
  +
[18:23] <cloudii> I don't know how busy Kira is lately though
  +
[18:23] <Nurin> noooooo
  +
[18:23] <Nurin> Rikka
  +
[18:23] <Nurin> is
  +
[18:23] * thelastguardian will be afk for 10 minutes
  +
[18:23] <Nurin> a
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[18:23] <Nurin> lazy
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[18:23] <Nurin> ass
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[18:23] == wet [[email protected]] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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[18:24] <Nurin> but
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[18:24] <stellarroze> cloudii and simon!!!
  +
[18:24] <Nurin> I
  +
[18:24] <Nurin> still
  +
[18:24] <Nurin> like
  +
[18:24] <Lery> Ghost is a nice one if you dislike WP
  +
[18:24] <stellarroze> cloudii is kawaii
  +
[18:24] <Nurin> him/her
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[18:24] <stellarroze> simon is my lord!
  +
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[18:24] <Nurin> Even though I know Rikka for a good time already
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[18:24] <nanodesuyo> i recommend cloudii for Potus.
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[18:24] <Nurin> I still can't define his/her gender
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[18:24] <Kira0802> I'm busy
  +
[18:24] <Nurin> like Hideyoshi
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[18:25] <Nurin> don't lie
  +
[18:25] <Nurin> I am busy
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[18:25] <+Lord-Simon> "00:17:35 Lord-Simon there is also Ghost"
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[18:25] <Nurin> we can't have two people busy
  +
[18:25] <Lery> Well, I'm really going now. Have a nice night/day according to your time-zone.
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[18:25] <Lery> Bye
  +
[18:25] <+Lord-Simon> But Ghost is not really load friendly
  +
[18:25] <Nurin> it's agains the Neet/Hikikomori's rules
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[18:25] <Kira0802> gnight
  +
[18:25] <Nurin> Lery...
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[18:25] <Lery> Thanks thelastguardian for coming ^^
  +
[18:25] <Nurin> you still didn;t go...
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[18:25] <Nurin> oh well
  +
[18:26] <Nurin> g'night
  +
[18:26] <Nurin> :D
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[18:26] <cloudii> bye Lery~
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[18:26] <Kira0802> I have to edit shikkin
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[18:26] <Kira0802> and magdala
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[18:26] <Nurin> k
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[18:26] <Lery> @Nurin yeah, I'm awful ^^' Always too late on BT
  +
[18:26] <Nurin> brb 2 min
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[18:26] <cloudii> I have to edit Biblia and Clockwork D:< xD
  +
[18:26] <Rock96> g'night, Lery
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[18:26] <Kira0802> hi rock
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[18:26] <Kira0802> are you still rock hard? :DDDD
  +
[18:26] <Misogi> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Meeting:March302014
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[18:26] <Rock96> And I needed to go to sleep... five hours ago -.-
  +
[18:26] <stellarroze> who wants a hug!?
  +
[18:27] <stellarroze> :D
  +
[18:27] <Kira0802> rock
  +
[18:27] <Lery> Lord-Simon, you're logging the IRC, right ?
  +
[18:27] <nanodesuyo> can i have two hugs?
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[18:27] <Misogi> Please tell if anything else was corrected (especially the Security part).
  +
[18:27] <Rock96> Hug me. I'm sleep deprived
  +
[18:27] <+Lord-Simon> yes
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[18:27] <Lery> I'll read it tomorrow then ^^
  +
[18:27] <+Lord-Simon> day and night
  +
[18:27] <Lery> Bye
  +
[18:27] <Rock96> And will be till three hours later
  +
[18:27] * Misogi is tired.
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[18:27] <+Lord-Simon> k
  +
[18:27] * Lery too and is going to go and sleep
  +
[18:28] <+Lord-Simon> Where do I post the raw log ?
  +
[18:28] * Lery is leaving
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[18:28] * Rock96 still reads history assignment
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[18:28] <Misogi> Talk section.
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[18:28] <cloudii> After the raw log that was posted this morning
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[18:28] == Lery2 [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]
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[18:28] <nanodesuyo> STELLA YOU PROMISED ME HUGS AND PROMISES WERE NOT KEPT. Now I am D:
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[18:28] <cloudii> http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Meeting:March302014#Complete_Log_of_the_Meeting
  +
[18:29] * stellarroze hugs nanodesuyo
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[18:29] <nanodesuyo> two please :(
  +
[18:29] * stellarroze hugs Rock96
  +
[18:29] * stellarroze hugs nanodesuyo
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[18:29] * Misogi is waiting for clarifications over the Security matters.
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[18:29] <nanodesuyo> thank you :)
  +
[18:29] * Kira0802 hugs stella
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[18:29] <Rock96> Yeah, thanks
  +
[18:30] <cloudii> tbh, I wasn't watching this conversation xD technical details are beyond me
  +
[18:30] * Kira0802 hugs rock
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[18:30] * Rock96 wonders if Kira is a trap
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[18:30] <stellarroze> NO.
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[18:30] <Misogi> @cloudii: Same here, hence that's why I'd like the exact changes.
  +
[18:31] <Nurin> k
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[18:31] <Nurin> bak
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[18:31] * stellarroze hugs Nurin
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[18:31] <+Lord-Simon> thelastguardian, even if it sounds lazy. WordPress is still the best option here
  +
[18:31] * Nurin hugs stellar back
  +
[18:32] <Nurin> i forgot it
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[18:32] <cloudii> Can you do something like blogger or the not-self-hosted wp and use our domain name?
  +
[18:32] * Nurin hugs cloudii
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[18:32] * Kira0802 cuddles Simon
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[18:32] <cloudii> That's even easier xD but less control
  +
[18:32] <+Lord-Simon> it runs on PHP and is easiest to use
  +
[18:32] * Nurin hugs nanodesuyo
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[18:32] <Lucille> i want a hug too
  +
[18:32] * Nurin hugs lucille
  +
[18:32] * Lucille ignores Nurin.
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[18:33] <cloudii> I hadn't realized this room had become such a cuddle-fest
  +
[18:33] <Nurin> too late
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[18:33] <Nurin> lol
  +
[18:33] * stellarroze hugs Lucille
  +
[18:33] * Lucille hugs stellarroze.
  +
[18:33] * Kira0802 cuddles cloudii
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[18:33] <nanodesuyo> kira creepy
  +
[18:33] <+Lord-Simon> There are CMS like: Django-CMS, Ghost, Typo3 and Joomla!
  +
[18:33] <Kira0802> cloudii is like a fluffy cloud in my head
  +
[18:33] * cloudii too sleepy to care
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[18:33] <Kira0802> Simon is a fluffy bear
  +
[18:33] <+Lord-Simon> Which I used at some time for test
  +
[18:33] <Kira0802> :DD
  +
[18:34] <+Lord-Simon> Django-CMS requires time investment to make the site look good and you have to create templates.
  +
[18:34] <+Lord-Simon> There are some that look good, but still...
  +
[18:35] <+Lord-Simon> Ghost runs on NodeJS
  +
[18:35] <+Lord-Simon> and isn't that cpu friendly
  +
[18:36] <cloudii> Question: On the sidebar, is there are reason why the Facebook link goes to the facebook group, but not the "other facebook page"? Is it worthwhile to have links to both?
  +
[18:36] <Kira0802> no
  +
[18:36] <Kira0802> The "other FB page" isn't something good
  +
[18:37] <Rock96> We need to hide Mayo.Chan from good people
  +
[18:37] <Rock96> *Innocent
  +
[18:37] <+Lord-Simon> But it has some nice minimalistic designs
  +
[18:37] <+Lord-Simon> Typo3... I don'T want to talk about it. It's a "bit" to big for a blogging platform
  +
[18:38] <Misogi> Hah... almost the end.
  +
[18:39] <+Lord-Simon> Joomla, well didn't spend much time with it. Seems nice, but need a bit more research.
  +
[18:39] <+Lord-Simon> So I can't say much about it
  +
[18:39] <+Lord-Simon> .
  +
[18:40] <cloudii> by "other facebook page", I meant the official BT page (not the group)
  +
[18:40] <cloudii> (and certainly not mchan)
  +
[18:40] <+Lord-Simon> *hush*
  +
[18:41] <+Lord-Simon> don't mention it
  +
[18:41] <cloudii> Oh right, this is being recorded………….
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[18:41] <Rock96> There is one...?
  +
[18:41] <cloudii> https://www.facebook.com/Baka.Tsuki.org
  +
[18:41] <+Lord-Simon> So, WP seems as a good choice
  +
[18:42] <+Lord-Simon> and most people who had something to do with blogs, used WP at least once
  +
[18:42] <+Lord-Simon> probably
  +
[18:42] <+Lord-Simon> The user management is easy
  +
[18:42] <+Lord-Simon> and the framework is robust
  +
[18:42] <krytyk> grahhhhhh
  +
[18:42] <krytyk> geek talk
  +
[18:42] <+Lord-Simon> As to the design
  +
[18:43] <thelastguardian> back
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[18:43] <Rock96> @cloudii, hm, I'm in that one...
  +
[18:43] <thelastguardian> looking good
  +
[18:43] <thelastguardian> i have nothing against WP btw....
  +
[18:43] <Misogi> WP isn't a bad choice.
  +
[18:44] <+Lord-Simon> And WP has some nice Nginx configurations
  +
[18:44] <+Lord-Simon> btw
  +
[18:44] <Kira0802> hm?
  +
[18:44] <+Lord-Simon> Layout and format...
  +
[18:44] <+Lord-Simon> Do I treat them the same ?
  +
[18:44] <+Lord-Simon> Because I'm confused by the format.
  +
[18:45] <+Lord-Simon> Either way, I don't see a real need to change the layout of the blog
  +
[18:46] <Kira0802> why did we need to change it to begin with?
  +
[18:47] <+Lord-Simon> It is quiet minimalistic and most people who visit it are familiar with it
  +
[18:47] <cloudii> TLG mentioned briefly he wasn't perfectly satisfied with wp
  +
[18:47] <cloudii> But it seems like TLG isn't that against it
  +
[18:47] <+Lord-Simon> Kira, it's about giving the Admin right to someone
  +
[18:47] <Kira0802> no one posts in the blog anyway :/
  +
[18:47] <thelastguardian> i am not stisified with how 'our' WP looks currently
  +
[18:47] <+Lord-Simon> really ?
  +
[18:48] <cloudii> Oh, then just install a template
  +
[18:48] <cloudii> that's pretty easy....
  +
[18:48] <thelastguardian> not WP in general (well, except for all the exploited WP sites online, anyway)
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[18:48] <+Lord-Simon> you can't do a thing against that
  +
[18:48] <+Lord-Simon> except you upgrade the site constantly and on time
  +
[18:48] <Misogi> WP should be upgraded.
  +
[18:48] <thelastguardian> WP is not very secure, that's all :)
  +
[18:48] <+Lord-Simon> and/or have some magical configuration that will stop the attack
  +
[18:49] <Misogi> And Jetpack should be put, too.
  +
[18:49] <+Lord-Simon> really ?
  +
[18:49] <+Lord-Simon> nah
  +
[18:49] <+Lord-Simon> you can just add GAnalytics
  +
[18:49] <+Lord-Simon> and it's done
  +
[18:49] <+Lord-Simon> Well, if there was a secure CMS
  +
[18:50] <+Lord-Simon> we wouldn't talk about WP
  +
[18:50] <+Lord-Simon> and other CMS
  +
[18:51] <Kira0802> can we just take a template on the net?
  +
[18:51] <Kira0802> http://themesguru.net/wordpress-themes/anime-press.html
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[18:51] <Kira0802> or something?
  +
[18:51] <Kira0802> something similar*
  +
[18:51] <cloudii> themes aren't that hard to find
  +
[18:52] <thelastguardian> anything is fine, really
  +
[18:52] <thelastguardian> you might want to consult with oni though :)
  +
[18:52] <thelastguardian> i don't know what he might has in mind
  +
[18:52] <cloudii> Oni says he can't remember the blog password, iirc
  +
[18:52] <+Lord-Simon> I'd really put something minimalistic
  +
[18:52] <+Lord-Simon> no fancy stuff
  +
[18:52] <Misogi> ... May we move on to forum matters?
  +
[18:52] <+Lord-Simon> text and a few images in posts
  +
[18:52] * Misogi see that there's only 3 things left.
  +
[18:53] <+Lord-Simon> Well, I know what should be posted
  +
[18:53] * Misogi was wrong. Four, but two are quite long.
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[18:54] <cloudii> Can't we just make this easy and promote another Forum Admin?
  +
[18:54] <+Lord-Simon> and if the users do not behave, use force and dictatorship
  +
[18:54] <cloudii> or is that a no-no?
  +
[18:54] <+Lord-Simon> What about the forum ?
  +
[18:54] <thelastguardian> okay, we will leave the blog issue for another day. Lord-Simon, if no one else wants the job, you get it (and if someone does, well, collaborate)
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[18:54] <+Lord-Simon> sure
  +
[18:54] <+Lord-Simon> All I have to do is that it stays on topic and they behave
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[18:54] <Misogi> I'll note that.
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[18:55] <thelastguardian> as for the forum......
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[18:55] <+Lord-Simon> Forum
  +
[18:55] <thelastguardian> froum groups?
  +
[18:55] <+Lord-Simon> yes
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[18:55] <thelastguardian> forum*
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[18:55] <Misogi> There are two easy things before.
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[18:55] <cloudii> user privileges for one
  +
[18:55] <Misogi> Disapproval Bug and PMs.
  +
[18:55] <thelastguardian> i feel like i might not be the best person to lead the change
  +
[18:55] <thelastguardian> because i am not familiar how the current system works
  +
[18:56] <cloudii> It's mostly just an inbalance of power
  +
[18:56] <cloudii> most of the individuals that have rights are not particularly active
  +
[18:56] <+Lord-Simon> TLG, on a side note: "Redirect Login and Registration pages to a encrypted (TLS) version. "
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[18:57] <cloudii> iirc, only you (TLG), Oni, bicube, and Vaelis are global mods
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[18:57] <cloudii> so basically, you four plus Teh Ping and rrapo (for some weird reason) are the only individuals able to ban/unban
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[18:57] <+Lord-Simon> Here is also a nice theme that is minimal: http://dimsemenov.com/themes/touchfolio/demo/blog/
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[18:58] <stellarroze> hmm mmm mmm
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[18:58] <thelastguardian> Lord-Simon: I've changed the redirect setting associated with cookies; I am not sure if it would break anything though
  +
[18:58] <+Lord-Simon> Well
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[18:58] <thelastguardian> let me take a look at the forum user rights page first
  +
[18:59] <+Lord-Simon> there are encrypted normal cookies
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[18:59] <cloudii> It's a slight issue because there's a number of forum banned users waiting to be unbanned http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7251&start=30
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[18:59] <cloudii> and there's no one who can do it........
  +
[19:00] <+Lord-Simon> still doesn't enforce the redirect
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[19:00] <thelastguardian> logout/login
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[19:00] <+Lord-Simon> wiki
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[19:00] <+Lord-Simon> or forum ?
  +
[19:01] <thelastguardian> clear the forum cookie
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[19:03] <+Lord-Simon> done
  +
[19:04] <+Lord-Simon> https://www.baka-tsuki.org:80/forums/index.php?sid=****
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[19:05] <milki> zomg
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[19:05] <milki> wiki says thelastguardian is the founder
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[19:06] * Misogi has cold fingers.
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[19:06] <+Lord-Simon> hm...
  +
[19:06] <+Lord-Simon> doesn't work that well
  +
[19:06] <+Lord-Simon> What I was saying is to use nginx to force it
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[19:10] <+Lord-Simon> Hahahahaha
  +
[19:11] <+Lord-Simon> Now I see
  +
[19:11] <+Lord-Simon> non-encrypted connection uses sid
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[19:12] <+Lord-Simon> and encrypted ones use cookies
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[19:13] <Kira0802> ???
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[19:14] <thelastguardian> yeah
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[19:14] <thelastguardian> i wish i have a test server :)
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[19:15] <+Lord-Simon> Hmmm....
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[19:15] <cloudii> lol Simon
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[19:15] <+Lord-Simon> Should I set up one ?
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[19:16] <thelastguardian> nah
  +
[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> it's like
  +
[19:17] <thelastguardian> everything should be fix now
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[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> 5 min ?
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[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> ah
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[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> damn
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[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> dorgot the ssl
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[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> and stuff
  +
[19:17] <+Lord-Simon> *sigh*
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[19:17] <cloudii> thelastguardian, what exactly did you change?
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[19:18] <cloudii> (asking for Misogi's sake xD)
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[19:19] <thelastguardian> iirc, i put in a hack to the code to work around a phpbb cookie bug a long time ago
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[19:19] <thelastguardian> i just removed it
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[19:19] <+Lord-Simon> well
  +
[19:22] <+Lord-Simon> That can wait for a longer time
  +
[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> encryption rises the load of the server
  +
[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> so...
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[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> Ah
  +
[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> what I wanted to ask
  +
[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> as I don't really get to notice it in time
  +
[19:23] <+Lord-Simon> how often is the b-t site not reachable ?
  +
[19:23] <cloudii> A couple times every month
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[19:24] <cloudii> You can tell by the inflow of messages on the Official Facebook page xD
  +
[19:24] <Kira0802> for me it's about once every month
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[19:24] <thelastguardian> our current hoster is as reliable as the last 1
  +
[19:25] <+Lord-Simon> ...
  +
[19:25] <thelastguardian> so expect slightly more downtime than last year
  +
[19:25] <thelastguardian> *shrug*
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[19:25] <thelastguardian> i didn't know until i switched
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[19:25] <+Lord-Simon> downtime, as in connection problems with the server ?
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[19:25] <thelastguardian> it has pretty good reputation on webhostingtalk though
  +
[19:25] <thelastguardian> so i am not too worry
  +
[19:25] <thelastguardian> connection issues, yes
  +
[19:26] <+Lord-Simon> do you at least keep backups of the DB ?
  +
[19:26] <thelastguardian> of course :)
  +
[19:26] <+Lord-Simon> daily backup ?
  +
[19:26] <thelastguardian> weekly
  +
[19:26] <thelastguardian> daily would blow my data cap
  +
[19:27] * Lord-Simon is sceptical
  +
[19:27] <+Lord-Simon> let's see...
  +
[19:27] <+Lord-Simon> the DB of the wiki should be aroun
  +
[19:27] <+Lord-Simon> 400-500 MB
  +
[19:27] <thelastguardian> nah
  +
[19:27] <thelastguardian> off by 2 magnitude
  +
[19:28] <+Lord-Simon> ?
  +
[19:28] <+Lord-Simon> How much exactly ?
  +
[19:28] <+Lord-Simon> or around ?
  +
[19:29] <thelastguardian> from the most recent backup (gzip):
  +
[19:29] <+Lord-Simon> btw
  +
[19:29] <thelastguardian> db @ 23GB
  +
[19:29] <+Lord-Simon> 23GB
  +
[19:29] <+Lord-Simon> hmm...
  +
[19:29] <thelastguardian> web @ 16GB
  +
[19:29] <+Lord-Simon> not bad
  +
[19:29] * Misogi is back.
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[19:30] <+Lord-Simon> what is your data cap ?
  +
[19:30] <+Lord-Simon> 2-3 TB ?
  +
[19:30] <thelastguardian> 4 or 5 TB
  +
[19:30] <thelastguardian> but we are using 3TB/month already
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[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> somehow small
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[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> I have a 10TB cap
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[19:31] <thelastguardian> the cap, or the usage
  +
[19:31] <thelastguardian> that's because I focused on getting better hardware
  +
[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> yeah
  +
[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> but stull
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[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> *still
  +
[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> I'm by Hetzner
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[19:31] <+Lord-Simon> and regardless of the hardware
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[19:32] <thelastguardian> Europe's server pricing is usually better than the states'
  +
[19:32] <+Lord-Simon> as long as you get a dedicated machine, you have 10TB Cap and 1Gbit up/down link
  +
[19:32] <+Lord-Simon> yeah
  +
[19:32] <+Lord-Simon> but I think hetzner do offer servers in the states too
  +
[19:34] <Misogi> I'll have to go in 30 minutes, should we finish solving some remaining matters?
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[19:34] <thelastguardian> anyway, another reason why i don't do daily backup is because i don't trust mysql incremental backup
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[19:34] <+Lord-Simon> Well, if there is a need. There are a few people on the forums that have their own servers
  +
[19:34] <+Lord-Simon> if there is a need to relocate some data heavy things
  +
[19:34] <+Lord-Simon> just drop by
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[19:34] <thelastguardian> nah, it's okay
  +
[19:34] <thelastguardian> thanks for the offer though
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> The one thing I have to say
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> it's always bad to have the static storage and the website on one server
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> static = images and stugg
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> *ff
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> brb
  +
[19:35] <+Lord-Simon> 15 min
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[19:35] <thelastguardian> misogi, let me do some research on the forum permission first
  +
[19:36] <Misogi> Understood.
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[19:36] <thelastguardian> i will keep my irc client on
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[19:36] <+Lord-Simon> After that there is the sidebar
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[19:36] <+Lord-Simon> the excessively long justification
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[19:36] <Misogi> Disapproval Bug, PMs, Sub-Forums and Groups.
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[19:37] <+Lord-Simon> thelastguardian, I'll send you the complete log tomorrow. I'm probably sure that this will end in a few hours
  +
[19:37] <Misogi> I'll postpone the two latters.
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[19:37] <Misogi> The first two are way quicker to solve.
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[19:37] <thelastguardian> the disapproval bug happens to a lot of phpbb installation
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[19:38] <thelastguardian> no 1 knows how to fix it. I will take a look at the code later.
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[19:38] <Misogi> You have been tested positive as a 100% whole-grain-fed-free-roaming organic Baka or have been diagnosed as a confirmed 100% off-the-charts lunatic. We are only certified to handle 50% Stupidity and 50% Lunacy, therefore it is with sad regret that you will be placed upon the waiting list to be euthanized. Fortunately, repeated reports of your condition will
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[19:38] <Misogi> This is the cause.
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[19:38] <thelastguardian> Hmmmm
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[19:38] <Misogi> Remove 4 of the 5 sentences.
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[19:38] <Misogi> The bug happened a while after that was added.
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[01:44] < Misogi> Need to go.
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[01:57] <+Lord-Simon> back
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[01:57] <+Lord-Simon> So
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[01:57] <+Lord-Simon> is this the end ?
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[02:01] <+Lord-Simon> btw. TLG
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[02:01] <+Lord-Simon> Don't forget to note down the expiration date of the SSL/TLS certificate
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[02:06] < thelastguardian> I know
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[02:06] < thelastguardian> seems like like, I guess
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[02:09] < stellarroze> wow
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[02:09] < stellarroze> it's been 12 hours
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[02:09] * stellarroze hugs thelastguardian
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[02:09] * stellarroze hugs Lord-Simon
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[02:09] * Lord-Simon hugs stellarroze
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[02:09] < stellarroze> i'd give you guys a drink but i don't drink alcohol XD
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[02:09] <+Lord-Simon> welcome back
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[02:11] <+Lord-Simon> So this is it.
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[02:12] <+Lord-Simon> I'll download the copy of the log
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[02:12] <+Lord-Simon> from the last 24 hours
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[02:12] <+Lord-Simon> and send it to TLG
 
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Latest revision as of 19:01, 22 April 2014


Meeting started

Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines.[edit]

"is the one week requirement to complete a new chapter

choice 1) keep it 2) extend it to a month 3) remove it 

<Kira0802> 3.
<Vallor> 2/3
<stellarroze> 2.
<krytyk> 1
<Misogi> 3
<Lery> 3
<cloudii> 3
<Lord-Simon> 3
<Darkoneko> 3

Majority to remove it.

consensus seems to expect a new project to already have material ready (like a prologue/intro already translated), rather than start from zero DarkoNeko talk 08:40, 30 March 2014 (CDT)

teaser status / ATP[edit]

random questions during chat mode (to complete)

  • Should teasers be an intermediate step in the creation of a project ?
  • What about teasers where the translator know already that (s)he'll be too busy to continue (and made than in hope another translator picks the project up) ?
  • Translators often tag something as a project in hope to get it to the side bar/categories and give it visibility
  • Every project seems to start by being tagged as a teaser for some reason (misuse ?)


Vote of new modus operandi : 

1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project
2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending
3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or other supervisor) approves

<Kira0802> Yea
<cloudii> Yes
<Cthaeh> yes
<krytyk> yes
<rock96> Yep
<hayashi> yes
<stellarroze> yes
<Code-Zero> yes
<Vallor> Yes but what's happened to the deadline?
<Misogi> Yes (although the Alt. Languages situation should be clarified).
<DarkoNeko> yes
<Lery> yes
<Lord-Simon> yes

mailing supervisors[edit]

<cloudii> There are number of instances int he rules
<cloudii> that require members to "email" supervisors
<cloudii> ...
<cloudii> Remove all references thereof 
<cloudii> of that form of contact


Vote : everyone approve

Creating a wiki page for requests[edit]

" Create a single location on the Wiki where administrative requests can be made. This should be at location that all sysops/supervisors monitor."


(like on wikipedia)

vote : 

<+Lord-Simon> yes
<Misogi> Yes.
<cloudii> yes
<Kira0802> Yea
<rock96> Yes.
<&DarkoNeko> agreed
<krytyk> y
<Lery> yes
<hayashi> yes

remove Wiki rules on forums[edit]

"rules about the forum should be on the forum, but rules about the wiki are also on the forum. They should be moved to the wiki"

Vote : everyone agrees

Create comprehensive Help Pages to improve the experience of brand-new members.[edit]

vote : all approve.

Detail of content of saide pages to be discussed séparatly

inactivity[edit]

Inactive people in power group issues :

  • Risk of accounts being hacked
  • Risks of people asking long-time inactive members to do stuff and never get answers.
  • cluttering of said groups


Motion : 

<cloudii> 1). One year of inactivty = loss of physical wiki rights
<cloudii> 2). If you end up coming back, talk to a sysop to be reinstated

Vote : 

<Kira0802> Yea
<Cthaeh> vote yes
<rock96> yes
<Lery> yes
<hayashi> mondai nai
<krytyk> y
<&DarkoNeko> vote y
<Vallor> yes
<victorrama> Yea
<+Lord-Simon> yes, even if I'm sceptical

project leading and supervisions[edit]

Renaming of some of the roles for a project, for clarity 

 "Project Supervisor -> Project Manager (usually one of the translators or editors. Does not need to be a member of a particular power user group)"
 "Project Administrator -> Supervisor (wiki supervisor or above)"

<cloudii> Yes
<krytyk> yes
<Kira0802> Yea
<Vallor> Yeah
<Misogi> Yes (although I may not count)
<Lery> yes
<Cthaeh> yes, vote
<&DarkoNeko> i'd have preferred "translation project manager" for clarity, but I'll take that
<rock96> 'K, I think

Vote : approved

Project Manager[edit]

"If a project manager knows they'll be away for a while, they should designate a subtitute to take all decisions in their absence"

Vote : all agreed.

"In case of unannounced inactivity or management issues, the project staff may ask the Supervisor to mediate and/or appoint a new Project Manager amongst the active project members"

Vote : approved.

"The first Project Manager is appointed by the Supervisor during ATP procedure."

Vote : approved.


Complete Log of the Meeting[edit]


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