Rectifier wrote:I feel like that movie is something I can never un-see for the rest of my life.
Basically its the pessimistic "real" adaptation of what happened at the end of the anime series; basically a chance to poke with the audience's mind and stomach at the same time.
You do realize that the script for End had been written for the show, but they didn't have the money to pull it off? So Anno had them produce something mostly made of stock footage and stock quotes because they had run out of money. (CONGRATULATIONS!)
Not that the last two episodes were bad. Just that I though End was way better.
Face it, you people who liked the first couple episodes didn't want to admit it started sucking and went down with the ship. It's like an otaku b1tch-slap.
I actually liked the second half a lot better.
Basically its the pessimistic "real" adaptation of what happened at the end of the anime series; basically a chance to poke with the audience's mind and stomach at the same time.
How do you get "pessimism" out of Shinji rebooting the biosphere so that humanity can restart where they picked off before the Second Impact, with new psychological tools they didn't have before that lead to every member of the human race being a better person as a result?
The whole bloody water shit is only temporary since it's still saturated with the souls of humans. As people begin to materialize by envisioning themselves in their own heart, the Earth will once more become green and vibrant, since as we see, plants and animals have no problem coming back post-Instrumentality.
Why the poke do we have to see that sick decaying shit combined with WAY too many sexual references?
It doesn't change the final message in any way, shape, or form.
Uh, wow, you totally missed like all the symbolism, didn't you?
AuraTwilight wrote:
Uh, wow, you totally missed like all the symbolism, didn't you?
I totally think he did.
And I also think that the movie's resolution was a lot better than the show's... the show ended with low-budgeted stock footage of everyone telling Shinji "CONGRATULATIONS" for some ill-defined mental victory, while, in the meantime, thousands of viewers write angry letters full of death threats to Hideaki Anno. (Congratulations THIS!)
Although I gotta admit that the alternate world scene in Episode 26 was FANTASTIC.
In that case, out of curiosity, what kind of symbolism do you think they should have used? Frankly, I am usually amused by what fans have to say about how their favorite series or whatever could have been improved. Although I see your point, sometimes things that are gratutitous are necessary for people to fully grasp the meaning. For example, if Jonathon Swift had used snakes instead of children to illustrate his point in "A Modest Proposal," I do not think that we would have gotten the point so well. The children were, in a way, a symbol. Yet, to replace that symbol could potentially alter the entire meaning or point.
Its not so much the animation so much as the over-the-top grotesqueries.
I almost find them an insult to my intelligence, the random pornography combined with necrotic decay certainly doesn't make me appreciate the symbolism any more...
Such as the symbol when Shinji put the sword in the vagina, did we really need a vagina to tell us what it was about?
It could have very easily been him piercing it like a sword piercing a body but without blood and then Super Rei gasping in pleasure to emphasis the sexual innuendo.
Also the necrotic decay...did we really need to be shown unrealisitically fast necrotic decay of tissue to tell us that it was falling apart?
Very easily could have been the limbs and head simply falling off instead of that sickening decay.
Although I gotta admit that the alternate world scene in Episode 26 was FANTASTIC.
It was, but...
AU Rei = DO NOT WANT.
No I didnt miss the symbolism, I'm saying that it was gratuitous and unnecessary to convey symbolism the way they did it.
Well how the hell ELSE are you gonna put that kind of symbolism on a WORLDWIDE scale?
Its not so much the animation so much as the over-the-top grotesqueries.
I almost find them an insult to my intelligence, the random pornography combined with necrotic decay certainly doesn't make me appreciate the symbolism any more...
Such as the symbol when Shinji put the sword in the vagina, did we really need a vagina to tell us what it was about?
It could have very easily been him piercing it like a sword piercing a body but without blood and then Super Rei gasping in pleasure to emphasis the sexual innuendo.
Also the necrotic decay...did we really need to be shown unrealisitically fast necrotic decay of tissue to tell us that it was falling apart?
Very easily could have been the limbs and head simply falling off instead of that sickening decay.
The sex metaphors were representations of all of Instrumentality, and so to have sexual symbolism at every possible turn was one big "Instrumentality = cosmic 6 billion individual ORGASM!"
The rotting and stuff was basically "Death conquers all, time is fleeting."
In of herself, yea, but as the "lol Rei as a normal person" parallel, I hate it. I highly doubt Rei would be like that even if she was a normal girl. Happier, sure, but THAT much? Nah. I always kind've imagined a normal Rei being like the Yukiverse Yuki or like Kimidori Emiri.
Just saw the second part of Rebuild of Evangelion in the cinema yesterday.
If you had any negative thoughts concerning the gloomy and pessimistic ending of the original series and End of Evangelion, you can throw that away now.
For Anno Hideaki has kept true to his word and delivered a totally different and satisfying "reimagining" of the Evangelion story.
For starters, Shinji is actually less wimpy and more GAR.
Rei is now showing more humanity and is assertive than before (arguably even more than Nagato Yuki, bar Yuki in Disappearance of course).
And Asuka is less angsty, making her less annoying and more likable.
And the new girl, Mari, she's pretty much won over me now. Though her screentime was shorter than thought. Hopefully it'll increase next episode.
Pardon me on my random mumblings below as I try to recall what I just saw:
Spoiler! :
The story now focuses more on Shinji's issues with his old man. Most of the sideplots inevitably gets streamlined, but it certainly made the movie flow more smoothly as we're taken straight to the action.
Romantically, it's now leaning more on Shinji and Rei, Asuka may be jealous as usual, but is less b!tchy about it, and even made up with Rei before...
Ending up as the pilot of the Angel-corrupted Unit 03 instead of Toji. Anno decided to give that lucky b@stard a happy ending and have him reunited with his little sister out of hospital. So this time, it's Asuka getting her mindrape earlier than expected.
As with the TV series, Shinji refuses to fight, causing Gendo to use the "auto-pilot" like Dummy Plug to kill the Angel, with Asuka in it. (More on that below)
Later on, Mari infiltrates NERV and hijacks Unit 02 to fight the Angel with the insanely powerful AT-Fields. Rei joins in and, like in the TV series plans to do a suicide attack on it by shoving a N2 missile into it. The Angel is barely scratched, Mari gets knocked away despite her best efforts (but she still kicked @ss using the never before seen "Beast Mode") and Rei, along with Unit 00, gets EATEN, literally, by that Angel.
Next would come pure awesomeness, as Shinji snaps out of his sulking, goes back to Unit 01 (which refused to install the Dummy Plug system as it only recognizes Shinji as its pilot), and then goes into "Awakened Mode", which is just another word for "God-like pwnage" (not to be confused with "Berserk Mode", in which the pilot is out of control).
Shinji is very much in control here, and he even risks losing his humanity just to save Rei, trapped inside the Angel's core, and f*cking succeeds!
Of course, this ends up with the Angel turning into a giant Rei (as in End of Evangelion) and fusing with Unit 01, causing... THIRD IMPACT.
Credits roll.
After the credits...
Spoiler! :
Just when we thought, "Instrumentality ALREADY!?" Suddenly Unit 01 gets impaled by the Lance of Longinus, thrown by none other than Kaworu, in the never before seen EVA MARK 06. Saying "The time has come, Shinji-kun, I will show you true happiness."
OMFG! The entire cinema went berserk.
Then came the preview for the next chapter: Evangelion 3.0: Q-Quickening
Spoiler! :
ASUKA ALIVE WITH AWESOME EYEPATCH
Thunderous applause ensued.
Even my friend, who was only a casual watcher of the TV series ages ago, and so wasn't familiar with most of the stuff, thought this was a much better adaptation.
I declare myself a "Born Again Evangelion-ist".
For you guys in North America and Europe, when the DVD comes out, GET IT.
