Doraneko wrote:Chaos to a greater extent arise from the possibility of civil wars.
Obviously the NK people can live without the entire class of autocrats on top of them. But as long as some of them remain problems will ensure. The control of the 2 million soldiers is spread across different generals who have vowed their allegiance to Kim. This is to prevent concentration of power at certain generals and allow easy suppression if any of them decides to start a coup.
If Kim is removed who is the next guy that can effectively sit on them and prevent them from testing their luck in seizing power? The young Kims' leadership has yet to be proved and challenges against their legitimacy is not something unimaginable. At the end of the day, non-democratic regimes depend heavily on legitimacy to sustain their authority (since they have no mandate from the people). As I have said the generals may not only fight among themselves, but may do anything including external attacks to seize control of and gain support from the military as a whole. It is a fairy tale to expect the impoverished population to sort this out all by themselves. Without food, arms, tactical training and other forms of external assistance, the starved and brain-washed peasants are simply too weak to take down all the generals and set up their own government.
Even if the transition of power to one of the heirs or generals is peaceful, you have only replaced Evil A with Evil B. If any, you have provided a convenient excuse for retaliatory attacks and only serve to worsen the situation. That is why I said unless you plan to take over the country by force like what has been done to Iraq, removing Kim alone can hardly bring any benefit.
For a peaceful and bloodless coup without the need to take over the country by foreign forces, you will not only need to remove Kim, but also his heirs. It is also necessary to bribe all the generals to persuade them to vow their allegiance to a puppet government set up by either the US or PRC. Of course talking about this on an armchair is much easier than putting it into action. On top of that the risk involved is too high (the nukes may go anywhere when the central authority breaks down) even without considering external factors (A US initiated coup will attract retaliation from PRC, and vice versa). This is why no one dares to make a move.
OT: In other news...
Report: North Korea's Kim Jong-il Is Running MMO Gold Farming Racket
Kim is certainly creative in terms of earning money... For the record, half a year ago he opened numerous short positions in the SK stock market, then he fired a few shells across the border and snapped up a delicious windfall profit from the market crash.
Agreed. The only irony I see is that what you just described is more or less what is happening in Egypt right now with the world pushing for elections and a democracy in the name of peace, despite the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is most likely going to win one way or another.
kira0802 wrote:That is different. What you were saying is that Syria is Iran's puppet. That's not true.
Syria has long been a precious ally of Iran. If Iran doesn't regard or care seriously for Syria, it would lose a precious ally in it. After all, el-Assad's system is very helpful to Iran, and if it falls, Iran won't have any ally. Now, the two countries are mutually depending on themselves, so it means that part of Iran's fate resides in whether Syria falls or not.
And for these groups, they all have their own conviction. They're not Iran's puppet, but groups which have their own goal. And since some of Iran's goals are in common with trhese groups', then they would obviously try to work together to achieve them.
Much of what I am saying occurs behind the scenes. You will most likely not find it in your newspaper, not because it is not true or it does not happen, but because the Western media just could not care less in carrying it out of their own agenda. The terrorist groups in Syria have heavy ties with the government to the point that they are virtually one and the same. As much as Assad complains and says in the media that he hates those groups, which he does to some extent, he has to show the people in his own country that he is a good Muslim. That means holding hands with terrorist groups that have connections in Iran, whose members are parts of both governments. This holds much sway over Syria as a government and is covered up by the fact that the two are allies. Ever wonder why they are allies?
As far as I know, Israel was the one who started the first one.
And don't put the religious side of Lebanon with the country itself. Hezbollah is a religious group which does have some seats in the parliament, but not the majority. Half of the members in the parliament in Lebanon are Christians. And on the 128 seats, hezbollah only has 12. In the 30 members of the cabinet, only 2 Hezbollah members.
In 2006, Hezbollah was the one that started the war, and not Lebanon itself. Lebannon enjoyed its peace. The decision Hezbollah took was unilateral. Though more than 80% of the population supports Hezbollah, it is for their actions for the resistance, and was heavily criticized for their action in the second Lebanon war.
It is hard to separate the religious side of Lebanon with the country itself. It is almost impossible to keep the government secular. Even Turkey, which has had a "secular" government for the past 100 years, is not becoming a Muslim government, despite claims otherwise. While Hezbollah may not have the majority power in the parliament, that does not mean much when they have terrorist camps all over the countryside that are growing with the population pulling for them. Does it not strike you as odd that Hezbollah holds the majority vote and is not in the majority in parliament?
Also, you are assuming that the elections are fair and balanced. They are not. The only reason why so many Christians are in power is to keep the world off of Lebanon's back by giving the world the false appearance that Lebanon treats its Christian population fairly and as human beings. They do not. Most Christians cannot even look up from the ground without fearing for their lives. Even now, they are fleeing the country despite other pressures to keep them there. Also, those Christians that hold seats in parliament do not even really do much because they cannot. Only a few months ago a leading member of the Lebanese parliament was assassinated for speaking against Islam. That does not sound like freedom of speech to me nor being able to hold an opposing position without fear for one's life. So, the Christians are a tool in the hands of Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Hezbollah tried a coup in 2006 and launched the war in the chaos against Israel. Remember, Hezbollah and the Lebanese government are much closer tied than what people may tell you. As for your use of the word "resistance," what the heck is there for them to resist? Peace with Israel, whom they constantly de-legitimize as a Jewish state? Trying to legitimately create a Palestinian state, not this UN bullcrap that will happen in September? The fact that they have 4th, 5th, and 6th generation "refugees?" kira, your terminology is mixed up. It is one thing to resist; it is another thing to kill in the name of your god and terrorize people. Hezbollah does the latter.
Also,
Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings - it also boasts an extensive social development program. Hezbollah currently operates at least four hospitals, twelve clinics, twelve schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance program. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members.
Hezbollah implicates itself in some social programs. As mentionned, Hezbollah still offers services to poor Lebanese people, especially in the south. Though it is a terrorist organization to many countries, some people suffering of the poverty still regards the organisation as one that makes their lifes better.
Again, this is a facade of Hezbollah. They do this to win the support of the people. Hitler did the exact same thing as he killed over 6 million Jews. What makes you think that Hezbollah is any different? This is called propaganda. This two-faced behavior is very much a favorite tactic of despots and those looking to justify themselves before the people when they are in truth raping, murdering, and pillaging others everyday.
The probelm here is the seperation of the powers. However, in my opinion, there will always be someone will step up and give NK citzens a better life. However, no one wants NK to end like Somalia. So the best possible action to take would be not only to chase Kim, but also to make the generals sit in different places other than being someone who is in the army.
In my opinion, if shuch thing would happen, PRC and the US should work together. However, it is highly doubtful that ORc would be happy that NK's regime falls. China is one of the few countries where government has such a power, and NK's fall would be threatening. Also, having the US near is not great. The US can take some actions that can be lethal towards China, so China is more than happy to have an ocean seperating those ttwo. Ths US will surely try to crash China's economy, to keep theirs, so it is a wise decision from the government. So NK's status is probably...the status quo. And it is sad for the people who work their ***** off just to survive.
To me, what you are saying here is highly idealistic and probably will not work out like you say. Also, having SK as being involved will be most probable, given that they will mostly be getting bombed by NK when this happens. For war to break out between these two nations will not take much. The sinking of the SK ship not long ago proved that.
Cosmic Eagle wrote:That is true but woe be the day America grows tired of sticking their noses outside their continent. They don't belong in many places and their expeditions are.....bad.... to say the least but they do have allies mainly in Asia that actually depend on them. Pity those allies if America pulls out of the Pacific; the one place that they have actually done good (the Indochina fiasco not withstanding)
Cosmic Eagle, while I certainly respect you and your opinion and your right to say your opinion, I must kindly ask that if you do live outside of the United States and things in your country or the surrounding nations go to a very warm place quickly, please do not call on the United States to bail you and your nation out of trouble. I find it very troubling that this kind of hypocritical position is held by many such as yourself because it is asking the United States to everything and nothing at the same time. Please put yourself in the shoes of the citizens here. Now, if you are a citizen, I still have the same respect, but I do wonder if you might be happier elsewhere, if this country is not what you think it claims to be. Personally, I tire of hearing this kind of opinion that you espouse about the United States's foreign policy, which is just another way of verbally assaulting the United States itself. It is slanderous. So, again, while I do not mean to offend you, I must say that I am offended by the way you portray things.
Cosmic Eagle wrote:That is why Mossad actively plays in China
Proof?
Cosmic Eagle wrote:Why would Baat'hist Iraq be involved in a nuclear deal with Iran when they are both mortal foes? If anything Saddam feared Iran more than any other Muslim nation.
The one thing that unites all Arab nations and Muslims is the hatred and desired destruction of Israel. The 1948 War of Independence, the Six Day War, and the Yom Kippur War proved this. More modern proof is the propaganda you can find on their news networks and the like.
