ばか！バカ！　馬鹿ー月！

That's not a plot. It's a premise.

I'm pretty sure Sasaki existed beforehand. There's too much foreshadowing of her (Kyon's first "weird girl"). Although that does not preclude Haruhi subconsciously "remapping" her into a rival once she hears about her.

And I'm curious how the best evidence for a Kuyoh cause of Yuki's illness—the fact that the meeting with the Anti-dan, and thus Kuyoh's interaction with Kimidori, occurs in the same timeline—is evidence that Haruhi, who didn't even know about the meeting, has given up her powers and that is what is weakening Yuki. After all, we've already seen Yuki display the same symptoms due to an attack by the Canopy Domain back in SMS. Why would there be a different cause now?

AuraTwilight wrote:The only reason why Yuki isn't in perfect health is because Haruhi acknowledges that illnesses have to happen, but we can be sure that Yuki won't die from it.

I wouldn't be so sure. Having alternate timelines gives the author the opportunity to do things he would never (and practically speaking, could never) do in the story's "real life". Like killing off major (presumably unkillable) characters, taking away the powers from a nigh-omnipotent character, invalidating the future origin and current existence of a time traveler and paradoxizing the last year-plus, etc., etc... With the way the story is going, and all the potential resolution of foreshadowing granted by the Anti-dan and the alternate timeline, I'm starting to see why some (not me) are expecting Volume 10 to be the last.

AuraTwilight wrote:

I wouldn't be so sure. Having alternate timelines gives the author the opportunity to do things he would never (and practically speaking, could never) do in the story's "real life". Like killing off major (presumably unkillable) characters, taking away the powers from a nigh-omnipotent character, invalidating the future origin and current existence of a time traveler and paradoxizing the last year-plus, etc., etc... With the way the story is going, and all the potential resolution of foreshadowing granted by the Anti-dan and the alternate timeline, I'm starting to see why some (not me) are expecting Volume 10 to be the last.

Well obviously when that happens, all bets are off. I'm just saying that, in the meantime, Haruhi probably won't let Yuki die under any circumstances on some subconscious level. That's a characterization that she's possessed atleast as early as Remote Island Syndrome.

Ambi Valent wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think the "bright closed spaces" are actually Haruhi's, and Sasaki never had any power at all. Even worse, Sasaki probably didn't even exist in Kyon's world before Haruhi created/transported her there.

The world is (relatively) new to Sasaki, so she continues to be fascinated by it, and can't stop asking questions about it - and doing that she got Kyon to appreciate the real world, too. Haruhi, on the other hand, sees the world just as normal and boring, or at least did so before forming the SOS-dan. I think that's the reason Sasaki and Haruhi seem like opposites, but when looking closer, Haruhi had been moving towards normal for quite some time.

Koizumi even said so in "Dissociation", and pointed out Haruhi's "closed spaces" had changed. So such a change could have happened before already, when Haruhi was looking for another world... the first attempts probably collapsed, the ones after that were stable but boring (like the one Kyoko showed Kyon), and after that, they could contain life. We're used to the thought Haruhi creates them only when she's in a bad mood, but that may just because those moods make her wish for another world, rather than living in the present one.

I think what confused the renegades is this change over time, and so they looked for another creator, and only found Sasaki, who seemed to be the character opposite of Haruhi but had no powers. I think Haruhi still wields all the power, unless she chooses to give them up... and I think that's what happens in "Dissociation" when Kyon meets Sasaki and the renegades - Haruhi tries to be more like Sasaki because she thinks that's what attracts Kyon. And that's what's weakening Yuki, not some attack by Kuyoh - Kuyoh exists in both timelines, but the meeting only happens in one.

quigonkenny wrote: Has Haruhi's power ever shown the ability to keep something from happening? Her powers are subconscious, of course, but their results have always been fairly overt and proactive ("summoning" members of the special groups, making the trees bloom out of season, creating the Closed Spaces, etc., even "creating" or summoning Sasaki, if such is the case).

Kaisos Erranon wrote:Apparently that was post 9999 in this forum.

This is post 10000.

Fascinating, ain't it?

AuraTwilight wrote:

Kaisos Erranon wrote:Apparently that was post 9999 in this forum.

This is post 10000.

Fascinating, ain't it?

DAMMIT.

Ah well. 9999 is a pretty cool number.