Baka-Tsuki talk:Categories revamp project

Genre Suggestion

How about target audience? Shounen/Shoujo/Seinen/Josei.

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Also, while AFAIK we currently don't list any 18+ light novels (although there was one such story in SAO, it turned out to be a 3rd party doujin that SAO'author put on his website), they certainly exist, and unless there is some policy against them, there's a chance that one becomes popular enough to be translated... SinsI (talk) 08:24, 4 February 2014 (CST)

• We do have some 18+ VA's though. Cloudii (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2014 (CST)

Yeah, what about the genres like : Adult, Doujinshi, Gender Bender, Hentai, Josei, Shotacon, Shoujo Ai, Shounen Ai, Yaoi, Yuri ??? I don't have a clue if we host such LN, but those are quite used in manga... (My reference being Baka-update, I just compared the genres they distinguish with the ones listed here.) I know for sure there was once a polemic, because someone wanted to start a Yaoi LN translation, but Teh_Ping said she (if I remember well) should go and do it somewhere else than here. So, it depends on the fact : will we or do we have such material ? At least we could add the Doujinshi, Adult and Josei genres, I think... Excepted for the adult one, there aren't really any prejudice against those and Doujinshi aren't always ecchi or "worse". Lery (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2014 (CST)

• There's a clause in TLG/Oni's rules that generally say pornographic or whatever content is generally not allowed... "UNLESS such material is deemed necessary solely by the merit of preserving the integrity of such work(a)" (SECTION D). But the agreement seems to imply that moderators should at least try to moderate any material that is blatantly suspected to be inappropriate. In either case, this needs to be formally defined in the rules before we start hosting hentai-light-novels (if those even exist?) Cloudii (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2014 (CST)
  • I think it is a standard disclaimer to comply with electronic information laws. Usually it is not pornography but "unrestricted access to pornography" that is considered "inappropriate content" - so if you have a standard "you confirm that you are of (whatever age is required in your country) to read it" confirmation page before displaying any adult content, it is not actually inappropriate in most countries. If we do add a "adult/mature/18+" Genre, we might have to add such functionality as well... And such light novels certainly exist - you might be surprised if you look up works from the late author of Zero No Tsukaima and Strike Witches that he wrote under (pen?) name 山口昇一. SinsI (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2014 (CST)

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I added :

• Adventure
• Historical
• Mecha
• School Life

Devenk83 (talk) 10:14, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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I added a number of ones including Slice of Life and target audience. I actually used some manga sites as references, and pretty much all sites in the manga world use about the same categories. I know you guys were talking about restricting the categories so that people shouldn't make new ones in the future, so it's safer to err on being broader than not. For example, I don't think we have many sports light novels, but it's a major category nonetheless, and you can't deny the possibly we'll get a sports light novel in the future. Cloudii (talk) 11:40, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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Do we really need a target audience genre ? Light novels' main target are young men and women, so all of them are either Seinen or Josei, and you can see it with their manga adaptation who are mainly published in seinen magazine. Devenk83 (talk) 13:36, 4 February 2014 (CST)

• There's a big split between shouen and seinen. According to how mangaupdates has BT projects classified, we have 50 shounen, 23 seinen, 4 shoujo, no josei.... IDK if people use those categories though. But that's how external groups have categorized the series we host. Cloudii (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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A lot of them are Shounen - Accel World, Baka Testo, High School DxD - anything that uses nosebleeds instead of erections. SinsI (talk) 14:18, 4 February 2014 (CST)

Genre suggestion - Kira's

• Action
• Comedy
• Drama
• Ecchi
• Fantasy
• Mature
• Mystery
• Romance (As in the main theme is romance)
• Sci-Fi
• Shoujo/Josei
• Slice of Life
• Supernatural

Explanation for why others should be removed:

• Adventure: Can be included in Fantasy normally.
• Harem: I don't think this is needed; Comedy-Romance or Drama-Romance should be enough. Plus, it's included in 80% of all romance titles on BT, so yeah...
• Horror: Can be included in "Mature".
• Historical: lol
• Lolicon: lol
• Martial Arts: -->Action.
• Mecha: -->Sci-fi
• Psychological: I don't have any example of one in head...
• School Life: -->SOL
• Shounen/Seinen: Not useful at all, since almost every project here falls in one category or another.
• Sports: lol
• Tragedy: -->Drama

Mystes (Talk) 16:25, 5 February 2014 (CST)

> Horror Can be included in "Mature".

Shouldn't be included in "mature", because these two categories don't necessarily go hand in hand - you can have Horror for children, and you can have Mature titles that are not of the Horror variety (i.e. dealing with serious philosophical/moral issues)

> Shounen/Seinen: Not useful at all, since almost every project here falls in one category or another.

Very useful, since some might hate the immatureness and tropes of Shounen, but like Seinen very much...

Sports/Mecha/Historical/Martial Arts more belong to the "Tags" SinsI (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2014 (CST)

Separating project/light novel categorizations

From what I can see, some of the categories that are being used are irrelevant to one of the two (projects/light novels). If the objective of this is to categorize the projects in a better way, maybe creating a light novel page separate from the translation project pages each light novel would be a better idea. The light novel page would serve mainly as a buffer, this page will contain a title, an image, links to the languages the light novel has been translated to, and maybe other general miscellaneous information regarding the light novel.

This way only the light novel page has to be added to all the categories that pertain only to the actual light novel (i.e. publisher, genres, etc.), and the individual translation project pages and be added to their own categories (i.e. language, project status, etc.). Then you can even categorize the categories so that some are used only for projects and some are only for light novels.

The cons of this method, obviously is that you guys will have to make a new page for each light novel and redo the categorization of each of them. Also this will take up more space (data wise) since there is an extra page for each light novel. I usually don't contribute to the site but it was an interesting topic. In the end this is only a suggestion from a lurker so if you guys don't like this, I guess you can just ignore this?